Comments on: The U.S. Circus Comes To Town Yet Again! http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/ "Argue not with fools, frauds, fops, and fanatics. Seek instead better companions." ----- "Show me a millionaire and I will show you a man who has never thought about the meaning of his life." Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:34:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17634 David G Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:55:36 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17634 Denk, it must have to do with the number of links! I can think of no other reason. John, in most cases, religion is the poison that turns us into barbarians. Morocco, I'm sure we both sing from the same song sheet. I would agree with your last sentence fully. That is what motivates me to keep blogging, the hope that, one day, we silly humans can reach our potential rather than continue to wallow in the primeval swamp. Cheers. Denk, it must have to do with the number of links! I can think of no other reason.

John, in most cases, religion is the poison that turns us into barbarians.

Morocco, I’m sure we both sing from the same song sheet. I would agree with your last sentence fully. That is what motivates me to keep blogging, the hope that, one day, we silly humans can reach our potential rather than continue to wallow in the primeval swamp.

Cheers.

]]> By: Morocco Bama http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17605 Morocco Bama Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:56:15 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17605 Late Revolution, when I said good point, that doesn't mean I support your post in its entirety, just the part about people becoming what they supposedly oppose when given the opportunity. As the poster above mentioned, Ahmadinejad didn't say what you, and the MSM, claimed he said about Israel....however, he did coddle the likes of David Duke...an avowed racist. I don't think Ahmadinejad's a good guy....but I'm not going to perpetuate lies about him to prove my point. Clerical rule in Iran is not in the best interests of the majority of Iranians anymore than Corporatist rule in the West is in the best interests of the majority of Westerners. Both forms of power are coercive, oppressive, totalitarian and tyrannical. When you stick to the principles, not the actors, you can arrive at no other conclusion. Christianity is just as insidious as Islam in its ultimate effect....and, if you look at the history, Christianity is responsible for much more bloodshed than Islam. My point being that they are both religion, and as we all know, religion is the glue that allows all of this destruction to perpetuate. If we are to evolve, we must rid ourselves of the scourge that is religion. David, I have said on another thread that it sovereignty of the individual so long as that sovereignty doesn't preclude the sovereignty of other individuals. I'm not concerned with what history has to say about this because I don't believe in "as before, is now, and ever shall be." I that's the attitude, why are we even having this conversation? There would be no point. I'm no Kennedy fan boy but I like what Ted Kennedy said in his eulogy to his brother Bobby: <i><b>There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?</i></b> Late Revolution, when I said good point, that doesn’t mean I support your post in its entirety, just the part about people becoming what they supposedly oppose when given the opportunity. As the poster above mentioned, Ahmadinejad didn’t say what you, and the MSM, claimed he said about Israel….however, he did coddle the likes of David Duke…an avowed racist. I don’t think Ahmadinejad’s a good guy….but I’m not going to perpetuate lies about him to prove my point. Clerical rule in Iran is not in the best interests of the majority of Iranians anymore than Corporatist rule in the West is in the best interests of the majority of Westerners. Both forms of power are coercive, oppressive, totalitarian and tyrannical. When you stick to the principles, not the actors, you can arrive at no other conclusion.

Christianity is just as insidious as Islam in its ultimate effect….and, if you look at the history, Christianity is responsible for much more bloodshed than Islam. My point being that they are both religion, and as we all know, religion is the glue that allows all of this destruction to perpetuate. If we are to evolve, we must rid ourselves of the scourge that is religion.

David, I have said on another thread that it sovereignty of the individual so long as that sovereignty doesn’t preclude the sovereignty of other individuals. I’m not concerned with what history has to say about this because I don’t believe in “as before, is now, and ever shall be.” I that’s the attitude, why are we even having this conversation? There would be no point. I’m no Kennedy fan boy but I like what Ted Kennedy said in his eulogy to his brother Bobby:

There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

]]> By: John Robertson (Robbo) http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17591 John Robertson (Robbo) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:14:18 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17591 Late Revolution you say "Ahmadinejad recently made outright threats to destroy Israe"l, I missed that, could you point me as to where and when he said that? The "christian" IRA didn't kill any innocents did they, or the Israelis were careful not to in Gaza? "Christians and even Jews may have a great deal of contempt for us secular folks, but in this day and age they do acknowledge that we have a right to exist", but WE doesn't include the Palestinian (Muslims) right. Robbo Late Revolution you say “Ahmadinejad recently made outright threats to destroy Israe”l, I missed that, could you point me as to where and when he said that?

The “christian” IRA didn’t kill any innocents did they, or the Israelis were careful not to in Gaza?

“Christians and even Jews may have a great deal of contempt for us secular folks, but in this day and age they do acknowledge that we have a right to exist”, but WE doesn’t include the Palestinian (Muslims) right.

Robbo

]]> By: denk http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17590 denk Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:08:42 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17590 dg, somehow the china thread no longer accept my post, so i submit it here, dg,

somehow the china thread no longer accept my post,
so i submit it here,

]]> By: denk http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17589 denk Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:05:05 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17589 dg, no decent man could've let this pass.... Morocco Bama **Here is an excellent article by Naomi Klein on the partnering that’s going on between Chinese and U.S. interests. They have very similar goals….and those goals are driven by unadulterated greed and power. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20797485/chinas_allseeing_eye American commentators like CNN’s Jack Cafferty dismiss the Chinese as “the same bunch of goons and thugs they’ve been for the last 50 years.” ** say who ? http://tinyurl.com/yacxfl8 and coming from the cnn, that epitome of fair jornalism, no less http://tinyurl.com/6dbkvf ** It turns out that the most efficient delivery system for capitalism is actually a communist-style police state, fortressed with American “homeland security” technologies, pumped up with “war on terror” rhetoric. ** i wish ms klein has the gut to back up her claim, i dare her to tell the relatives of these victims, of which 99% are hans, face to face, that its all just ABOUT RHETORIC !! http://tinyurl.com/ykmqc4j xin foto http://tinyurl.com/l3up99 5 burned and moroco, do you know who was behind these riots ? you claim that china is amerikka's partner, so this is how the amerikkans treat their "partners" eh, what kind of low life is that ? dg,
no decent man could’ve let this pass….

Morocco Bama
**Here is an excellent article by Naomi Klein on the partnering that’s going on between Chinese and U.S. interests. They have very similar goals….and those goals are driven by unadulterated greed and power.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20797485/chinas_allseeing_eye

American commentators like CNN’s Jack Cafferty dismiss the Chinese as “the same bunch of goons and thugs they’ve been for the last 50 years.” **

say who ?
http://tinyurl.com/yacxfl8
and coming from the cnn, that epitome of fair jornalism, no less
http://tinyurl.com/6dbkvf

** It turns out that the most efficient delivery system for capitalism is actually a communist-style police state, fortressed with American “homeland security” technologies, pumped up with “war on terror” rhetoric. **

i wish ms klein has the gut to back up her claim, i dare her to tell the relatives of these victims, of which 99% are hans, face to face, that its all just ABOUT RHETORIC !!

http://tinyurl.com/ykmqc4j
xin foto

http://tinyurl.com/l3up99
5 burned

and moroco, do you know who was behind these riots ?

you claim that china is amerikka’s partner, so this is how the amerikkans treat their “partners” eh, what kind of low life is that ?

]]> By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17587 David G Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:35:08 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17587 I don't quite see the situation like you, Late Revolution. That highly Christian country called America has, since Vietnam, charged around the world killing other people, hundreds of thousand of them. Sure, they don't strap on suicide belts but when you have the latest fighter jets and missile technology that can target a fly on the enemy's nose you don't need to. You just press the button from above and watch the destruction, like it's a video. With drones now, Christians in America can blow up their perceived enemies from thousands of miles away. And all these Christian people support this killing and they buy shares in companies that make weapons of death and also companies which go around the world exploiting the poor and underprivileged. Killing is killing and it is wrong. How it is done is immaterial! I don’t quite see the situation like you, Late Revolution. That highly Christian country called America has, since Vietnam, charged around the world killing other people, hundreds of thousand of them.

Sure, they don’t strap on suicide belts but when you have the latest fighter jets and missile technology that can target a fly on the enemy’s nose you don’t need to. You just press the button from above and watch the destruction, like it’s a video. With drones now, Christians in America can blow up their perceived enemies from thousands of miles away.

And all these Christian people support this killing and they buy shares in companies that make weapons of death and also companies which go around the world exploiting the poor and underprivileged.

Killing is killing and it is wrong. How it is done is immaterial!

]]> By: Late Revolution http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17584 Late Revolution Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:48:32 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17584 I appreciate the support, Morocco. And yes, David, I get the point about the priest and the children. And yes, there are Christian fundamentalists out there (you certainly wouldn't want to be a black person in the American south just thirty years ago). But the vast majority of Christian people across the planet aren't blowing up hospitals and shopping centers. If you walk down the street to the local parish and saw a pastor trying to exhort his fellow worshippers into strapping bombs to their chests and heading for the nearest Wal-Mart, you'd have an empty church pretty quick. The point is, sane, rational people can protect themselves---in most instances---from religious zealots of the western variety by simply ignoring them or answering their ridiculous rhetoric with cool logic and reason. But these Middle Eastern folks definitely skew more aggressive than that. They just blow themselves and anybody around them for three city blocks up, and ask questions when they get to Allah. This is called a scourge. Christians and even Jews may have a great deal of contempt for us secular folks, but in this day and age they do acknowledge that we have a right to exist. I can visit Vatican City and not worry about having my head sawed off and rolled down the street because I don't subscribe to the Jesus thing. The Christians and Baptists and Catholics of the world have at least reached Step One: Civility. I appreciate the support, Morocco. And yes, David, I get the point about the priest and the children. And yes, there are Christian fundamentalists out there (you certainly wouldn’t want to be a black person in the American south just thirty years ago). But the vast majority of Christian people across the planet aren’t blowing up hospitals and shopping centers. If you walk down the street to the local parish and saw a pastor trying to exhort his fellow worshippers into strapping bombs to their chests and heading for the nearest Wal-Mart, you’d have an empty church pretty quick. The point is, sane, rational people can protect themselves—in most instances—from religious zealots of the western variety by simply ignoring them or answering their ridiculous rhetoric with cool logic and reason. But these Middle Eastern folks definitely skew more aggressive than that. They just blow themselves and anybody around them for three city blocks up, and ask questions when they get to Allah. This is called a scourge. Christians and even Jews may have a great deal of contempt for us secular folks, but in this day and age they do acknowledge that we have a right to exist. I can visit Vatican City and not worry about having my head sawed off and rolled down the street because I don’t subscribe to the Jesus thing. The Christians and Baptists and Catholics of the world have at least reached Step One: Civility.

]]> By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17572 David G Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:25:29 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17572 It's a dilemma, Morocco, whether the sovereignty of the individual should take precedence over the sovereignty of the tribe or majority. Many of the problems in the world today are caused by the collective actions of individuals, each one trying to grab as much as they can while they social climb over others. In other long-surviving species, it's the survival of the group that is the most important not the wishes and desires of each individual member. Food for thought! It’s a dilemma, Morocco, whether the sovereignty of the individual should take precedence over the sovereignty of the tribe or majority. Many of the problems in the world today are caused by the collective actions of individuals, each one trying to grab as much as they can while they social climb over others.

In other long-surviving species, it’s the survival of the group that is the most important not the wishes and desires of each individual member.

Food for thought!

]]> By: Morocco Bama http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17553 Morocco Bama Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:01:04 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17553 The trailer for Etz Limon. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2374304537/ The trailer for Etz Limon.

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2374304537/

]]> By: Morocco Bama http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2010/03/the-u-s-circus-comes-to-town-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-17552 Morocco Bama Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:49:35 +0000 http://www.dangerouscreation.com/?p=3576#comment-17552 Late Revolution has a very good point. May I suggest the movie Lemon Tree (http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/movies/17lemo.html?partner=rss&emc=rss) for a beautiful rendering of the complexities concerning the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. And, to further support Late Revolution's point, let's not forget that the many of the Israelis were descendants of the victims of the Holocaust....only to become like their abusers. Or, how about the comments of the alleged Rainbow Warrior on the other thread. He/she is a racist eugenicist.....and somehow we're to embrace that? This is why I underscore the importance of principles over players. Nothing can be accomplished if those seeking to accomplish an evolution are not guided by the same principles. It should be sovereignty of the individual before sovereignty of the tribe or nation. If it's the other way around, then the nation/tribe dictates the actions of the individual through coercion, and religion is the glue that helps hold that tyranny together. Late Revolution has a very good point. May I suggest the movie Lemon Tree (http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/movies/17lemo.html?partner=rss&emc=rss) for a beautiful rendering of the complexities concerning the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. And, to further support Late Revolution’s point, let’s not forget that the many of the Israelis were descendants of the victims of the Holocaust….only to become like their abusers. Or, how about the comments of the alleged Rainbow Warrior on the other thread. He/she is a racist eugenicist…..and somehow we’re to embrace that? This is why I underscore the importance of principles over players. Nothing can be accomplished if those seeking to accomplish an evolution are not guided by the same principles. It should be sovereignty of the individual before sovereignty of the tribe or nation. If it’s the other way around, then the nation/tribe dictates the actions of the individual through coercion, and religion is the glue that helps hold that tyranny together.

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