China To Threaten American Dominance!
Friends, today Reuters carried news of a new book written by Liu Mingfu which said that China must challenge and overcome America’s domination of the world if it is to avoid being neutered by the war-mongering nation.
The call for China to abandon modesty about its global goals and “sprint to become world number one” comes from a People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Senior Colonel, Liu Mingfu, who warns that his nation’s ascent will alarm Washington, risking war despite Beijing’s hopes for a “peaceful” rise.
“This book represents my personal views, but I think it also reflects a tide of thought,” Liu told Reuters in an interview. “We need a military rise as well as an economic rise.”
It sounds to me as if the sleeping dragon is beginning to awaken and it is aware that America, currently, is trying to out-manoevre it in terms of military strategies, military dominance and control of world resources.
Friends, the battle lines are being drawn. Where Russia will fit into this equation I don’t know. Could it be that the two adjoining countries, Russia and China, will join in a military partnership? Are we about to see a new Cold War? Will America’s need for access to the lucrative Chinese market overcome its desire for world military dominance? Will America go bankrupt soon? Will America decide that Iran is too insignificant to waste a war on?
These issues will unfold over the next few years or decades.
The struggle has begun! The dragon and the bear versus the eagle.
Who is your money on? Will this be the war that ends all wars and leaves the world a moonscape?
P.S. Read the whole article on Reuters.
“China vs US – the War for Oil” – a video posted at aangirfan, 3/1/10. I will read the article to which you refer, DG.
“Late Stage finance capitalism, like nuclear power, can only exist as a parasite on the larger society.” So says Glen Ford, in his report of 2/23/10, “Another Corporate Bailout, Obama Goes Nuclear”, found at http://www.blackagendareport.com. Crapola!
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Highly unlikely. The more likely scenario is that the two countries will partner, behind the scenes, with this boastful rhetoric bandied about as cover.
Review this video and behold the future of the U.S., and the West, in general. Those Migrant Workers will soon be eating Mud Cakes like they do in Haiti after being forced off their land and into the cities. Global Feudalism will require cooperation from the Global Elite….and don’t think China (not the Government….but the very wealthy) isn’t represented at the banquet table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAKFR5uksgo
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David G Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 6:46 am
Morroco, the chances of the U.S. and China partnering are nil! The two countries are politically a million miles apart and one of them, the U.S., is determined to dominate the world, not just China.
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And, once we experience full-fledged serfdom in all its glory (recall the photo of Obama and the Dalai Lama), don’t count on the Buddhists, Tibetan, or otherwise, to ease the burden. In fact, quite the contrary. The following, Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth, from Michael Parenti should help shed some light on the vaunted, mythical Buddhist societies.
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7355
The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery.20
The theocracy’s religious teachings buttressed its class order. The poor and afflicted were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime. The rich and powerful treated their good fortune as a reward for, and tangible evidence of, virtue in past and present lives.
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation–including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation–were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.”21 Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet.22
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Morocco, it is important to disentangle the philosophy of Buddhism from the theology which was attached by men later on. I’m sure the same thing was done to the philosophy espoused by Jesus.
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Once again, I would advise against choosing either party in this fabricated fight. Both are losing propositions for those who search for truth and adhere to values such as altruism and selflessness.
Here’s an excellent article penned by a Chinese Expat. It’s a bit dated, but I’m sure it hasn’t gotten any better. Does China sound familiar? She could have been describing the U.S…..or Mexico.
http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Reln270/China-wealthy.htm
China’s Wealthy Live by a Creed: Hobbes and Darwin, Meet Marx
By YILU ZHAO
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While the gross domestic product has grown at least 7 percent a year in the last decade, the income of the rich has grown much faster than that of the poor. Political and business elites are merging, as state factories are sold at cheap prices to managers who often have government ties.
Wu Jinglian, a senior economist with China’s State Council Development Research Center, recently called this “the abuse of power to create income,” in an interview with People’s Daily, the Communist Party newspaper, which was once just an official mouthpiece. A December article on the paper’s Web site gave examples of China’s politician-businessmen buying multimillion-dollar properties, for cash, in and around New York City and Los Angeles.
Meanwhile, as the Communist Party recruits successful businessmen as new members, blue-collar workers have lost their moral and social standing. Millions have lost their jobs, and older laid-off workers have been described in many publications as “historical baggage.” ……..
There are other ways in which the oddly mixed and cynical legacy of Chinese Marxism presents difficulties for anyone who would try to redistribute wealth. The reform era began with concepts like “truth,” “kindness” and “beauty” already devalued; in the Maoist period, people learned to scoff at such notions. For a few decades, Communist ideals like saving humanity from capitalist oppression had displaced Confucian teachings like respecting the elderly. That left a moral vacuum when Communism’s grip loosened, and nothing has yet emerged to fill it.
“A lot of people simply don’t believe that things like truth, selflessness and altruism exist,” said a government researcher in Beijing. “We have a very cynical population.”
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David G Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
My wife, who is Chinese, lived through part of Mao’s revolution. She starved much of the time. China is in a difficult transition now: part communist, part capitalist and the wealthy, as in America, get ever richer while the poor get shafted by developers and Government officials.
What the outcome will be is unknown but I can’t see the totalitarian government giving up its control of the political process. And I can’t see them taking a backseat position while America drives the world bus over a precipice!
Cheers.
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Grace Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 7:07 am
David, I am certain that your wife is a lovely woman. One who is also wise. You are a lucky man. I have had very limited yet specific experiences with people of Chinese origin. My first was Mr. YooHoo in the Silverlake Dist of LA around the corner from our apt. All the kids would go to his store and he was really nice. He taught us kids, me, how to use chop-sticks. He was a great guy I missed when we moved. Anybody who was in LA at that time was one culture: Californian, American. The kids all spoke English even though there were probably representatives from every corner of the Earth were our neighbors and friends and the old people spoke the old languages, but the kids were all one. It was a great time.
Later, when we moved back to the town of my grandma and where my parents met, San Francisco, it was a very different experience. In the !980′s alot of people were coming over from China as the Hong Kong switcheroo was approaching and there was some culture clash, but mostly people lived side by side. However, when we returned in the 2000′s it had changed dramatically. It was as though a full transfer had occurred. San Francisco was Hong Kong West. There was a major majority going on and the culture was flag-waving Republican. All the rich basterds had taken their money and moved to Californ-i-a. In the same neighborhoods that people fought for human rights, a new culture that was fearful and respectful and maybe even prefer an authoritative government, cowered and scurried inside when people gathered in the streets to protest the Iraq War. They were the one culture visibly absent. Sooo, I had to move out of that particular place in order to not feel what I felt there. Since then, we are now in an integrated area. One that is almost 50-50 white and asian with small slices of black and Hispanic. I think people are making an effort to get along. I think people recognize that there are benefits that each culture brings. I long for a California of my childhood again; 1960′s and 70′s. There is going to be a fight for the land here. I want to do what I can here. Hollywood is an awesome place. Especially in the hills or near the ocean. The air is cleanest in those places too. Or anywhere west of Hollywood on the way to the ocean. It is uber multi cultural and liberal and yet homogenous. Museums and parks are good too.
I don’t know about too much integration from a strict Chinese political philosophy. I believe that culturally and individually people are people. That is why the internet is so dangerous because it directly confronts and blows the cover off of the differences that separate us. As a government and Power in the world, China is not likely to release willingly any power they have rightfully earned of their own hard work. The Chinese family structures are very strong and have a great hold on their members. Chinese people in America are likey to go along with the govt. line. China owns alot of USof A. We shall see, we shall see..
“And I can’t see them taking a backseat position while America drives the world bus over a precipice!”
Cheers.
Cheers.
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Grace Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:16 am
“lived through part of Mao’s revolution. She starved much of the time”
I am sorry for the suffering your wife endured.
Mao, while espousing what is good for people was personally not caring of the well-being of others, including those closest to him.
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David G Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Mao was a madman, Grace. If you read ‘The Wild Swans’ you’ll get some insight into the catastrophe that was visited upon China.
“New Purim Massacre Sought in Iran – Purim Massacre of Hate”, http://www.davidduke.com, 3/2/10, Please read and listen there, and spread the word, to try to keep the Jewish government of Israel from nuking Iranians.
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Historian Andre Gunder Frank
**the only thing to fear about a rising China is America’s response to it.**
http://tinyurl.com/ygmwwfj
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China does not fear America, China fears the peasants of China. They brought Mao to power and if the situation becomes so bad where you have the rich in china getting richer and the poorer becoming destitute the Communist Government is aware of this and is doing everything it can (window Dressing) to stop the peasants from rising. China and Russia have startegic agreements in place for one party to provide assistance to the other if war breaks out with a third party.
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David G Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am
And most of the Chinese peasants, as in America, fear the Government, Kemosobi.
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I hope I didn’t come off as being supportive of Mao. Mao was as bad, if not worse, than what he purported to replace.
Much of the criticism bandied about these days in the alternate media, to include blogs, is directed at the U.S. and Israel……and that criticism is warranted and well-deserved….but it comes at a cost of not critically evaluating the rest of the world and the entire picture. China is not without criticism, and this is an opportunity to review just what exactly is going on in China.
As the poster said above, the Plutocracy of China has much to fear from the peasants. I’ve already mentioned the quickening class divisions and the growing and increasingly desperate Migrant Worker population that is now approaching 300 million. Wrap your head around that figure. 300 Million!! That’s the population of the United States.
China is also setting itself up for a natural resource catastrophe….meaning food and water. The farming practices Mao and Company instituted have led to exponential desertification of China’s prime arable lands due to poor care of top soil. Couple that with the Yangtze drying up due to overuse and lack of snow melt from diminishing glaciers and you quickly see that there is an impending disaster, the likes of which humankind has not yet witnessed, on the horizon. We’re talking hundreds of millions may starve to death….or die of thirst…in a relatively short period of time.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13519-melting-glaciers-will-trigger-food-shortages.html
The irrigation water vital for the grain crops that feed China and India is at risk of drying up, as global warming melts the glaciers that feed Asia’s biggest rivers.
“The world has never faced such a predictably massive threat to food production as that posed by the melting mountain glaciers of Asia,” says Lester Brown of the Earth Policy Institute.
The Ganges, Yellow and Yangtze Rivers in India and China are fed by rains during the monsoon season, but during the dry season they depend heavily on meltwater from glaciers in the Himalayas. The Gangotri Glacier in the Himalayas alone supplies 70% of the flow of the Ganges in the dry season.
The dry season is precisely when water is needed most to irrigate the rice and wheat crops on which hundreds of millions of people depend for their staple calories. But the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reported last year that many Himalayan glaciers could disappear by 2035. According to Brown, Chinese glaciologists now estimate that two-thirds of the glaciers on the Tibet-Qinghai Plateau could be gone by 2060.
Severely diminished meltwater could make the flow of the three great rivers seasonal, warns Brown, who has long documented the effects of environmental damage on food production. China and India together produce more than half the world’s wheat and rice, and the three river basins supply much of it, he says. The Yangtze irrigates half of China’s annual rice harvest.
http://www.gluckman.com/ChinaDesert.html
The desert is sweeping into China’s valleys, choking rivers and consuming precious farm land. Beijing has responded with massive tree-planting campaigns, but the Great Green Walls may not be able to buffer the sand, which could cover the capital in a few years.
Also, the potential for significant violence and unrest is exacerbated by the gender imbalance in China.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3137065/Gender-Imbalance-The-Perils-in-China-and-India
In their book “Bare Branches: Security Implications of Asia’s Surplus Male Population”, Valerie M. Hudson and Andrea M. Den Boer cited two rebellions in Manchu Dynasty China wherein female infanticide was prevalent thus leading to a disproportionately male society. The authors point to instances in history, biology, and sociology to demonstrate that “surplus males” will contribute to social disorder and higher crime rates. Daniel Little’s book “Understanding Peasant China: Case Studies in the Philosophy of Social Science” mentions that 19th-century Chinese rebellions were also concentrated in areas that were disproportionately male. Their analysis indicates that low-status young adult men with little chance of forming families of their own are “much more prone to attempt to improve their situation through violent and criminal behavior in a strategy of coalitional aggression.”In his book “Violent Land: Single Men and Social Disorder from the Frontier to the Inner City”, David T. Courtwright examines the historical pattern of American violence and disorder. Historically, America has had an abundance of young men, which was beneficial from an economic standpoint. From a social standpoint, however, “young men who worked hard also lived and played hard, often to the point of causing serious violence and disorder. Endocrine research, bolstered by historical, criminological, and cross-cultural studies, suggest that this tendency is universal”.
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David G Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Thanks for this detailed and informative comment, Morocco. There are many issues involved in the evolution of China and the food/water problem is but one of them. My wife’s family is involved with the change in China and so we get one perspective on a daily basis.
The State is all powerful at the moment and it rules by fear although controlling more than a billion people is no easy job. How they can continue to run a socialist regime while encouraging the capitalist, ‘me-first’ system is a balancing act that defies all logic!
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Morocco Bama Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
I agree, David. It’s amazing they have been able to keep it together this long….but maybe not, when you think about it. America’s prosperity for the past 25 goes hand and hand with China’s control of its massive population. That’s all coming to an end….the United States’ prosperity and China’s control of its population. You’re right…there’s no telling how this will end….but one thing we do know…is that greed seeks out greed….meaning they most likely won’t destroy each other (the wealthy of China and United States), but they will seek to destroy us.
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Grace Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
” How they can continue to run a socialist regime while encouraging the capitalist,”
I think they are doing both and it is based on a social Darwinism. The ones that make it out to America and elsewhere, as well as the successful business and land owners, will be allowed to live the Capitalist dream while the peasants living under the socialist regine will make the big sacrifice. American peasants who don’t serve the machinery will be sacrificed. It is very un American-dream, but very American.
The problems afflicting society are manufactured. There is a payroll tax that people who earn over $100,000. dont have to pay. If everyone, not just the working poor, paid that 2% tax, all of the budget problems in California would be solved. It is as simple as that. It starts with financial darwinism and moves on through till the strongest and the rich arseholes will be left. Lords and serfs. Meet the old boss, same as the new boss. And people will allow it BECAUSE some day.. they might get rich.
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When I wrote that comment about Mao, it immediately occured to me that if I were in China I could be arrested as a political dissident and potentially harvested for my organs. All for the crime of having a critical thought and word. I feel very appreciative of the freedoms that I have been able to enjoy in the shell of what is left of America.
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I fear that sooner or later the US and China will go to war for the last of the earth’s limited resources. Even though we need them to keep loaning us money our endless demands for more stuff will drive us to war. Especially our need for oil to keep everything running. O fear a very bleak future.
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David G Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 11:53 am
It seems a likely outcome, Jeannie. You can’t have two roosters both trying to sit on the top perch!
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Kemosobi
Mar 4, 2010 at 9:21 am
**China does not fear America, China fears the peasants of China. **
guess who was behind all the major unrest in china so far, tibet, xinjiang, flg, tam ?
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David G
**. You can’t have two roosters both trying to sit on the top perch! **
hell dg, this is so msm stuff
in reality, uncle sham has been tightening a noose around china’s neck, the latter is struggling to break out of this stranglehold, some competition !!
http://tinyurl.com/nkx5tk
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Morocco Bama
**Much of the criticism bandied [sic] about these days in the alternate media, to include blogs, is directed at the U.S. and Israel……and that criticism is warranted and well-deserved….but it comes at a cost of not critically evaluating the rest of the world and the entire picture**
may be there’s a simple reason, who’s the ones formenting unrest and waging wars all over the world ?
**Pick any ongoing conflict in the world and see if you do not see the secret hands of the United States/Israel busily at work fanning the flames. **
http://tinyurl.com/4mmkch
[hmmm, i'd add that mi5 and raw are getting a free pass here]
**At least China doesn’t topple democratically elected regimes to replace them with ones that are more friendly to chinese business and political interests, as the United States and uk has done in South America, Asia and the Middle East**
http://tinyurl.com/ya8emnf
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Morocco Bama Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 1:48 am
I’m not sure I understand your argument, denk. I’ve made my position quite clear….but you seem to be pushing the conclusion that if you wipe out the United States, you end the problem. That’s hogwash and short-sighted. China is not currently content within it’s own borders (http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/126/special-report-china-in-africa.html). It is working dilligently to secure itself a geostrategic position in the war for resources. It’s using means other than militarily to advance that agenda. Yeah, the United States is the Big Dog…..right now…..but it won’t always be….it will suffer the same fate as the French, British, Spanish, Roman and Egyptian empires of centuries and millenia past so long as humankind continues to uphold this thing called Civilization. A new Big Dog will rise in the place of the United States. It may be an up and coming nation-state, or it may be a global neo-feudal order where the greedy global power mongers collude to form a one-world syndicate divided into various governing regions. In otherwords, the days of nation-states may be drawing to a close and this things about to break the sound barrier.
Here is an excellent article by Naomi Klein on the partnering that’s going on between Chinese and U.S. interests. They have very similar goals….and those goals are driven by unadulterated greed and power.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20797485/chinas_allseeing_eye
American commentators like CNN’s Jack Cafferty dismiss the Chinese as “the same bunch of goons and thugs they’ve been for the last 50 years.” But nobody told the people of Shenzhen, who are busily putting on a 24-hour-a-day show called “America” — a pirated version of the original, only with flashier design, higher profits and less complaining. This has not happened by accident. China today, epitomized by Shenzhen’s transition from mud to megacity in 30 years, represents a new way to organize society. Sometimes called “market Stalinism,” it is a potent hybrid of the most powerful political tools of authoritarian communism — central planning, merciless repression, constant surveillance — harnessed to advance the goals of global capitalism…..
Remember how we’ve always been told that free markets and free people go hand in hand? That was a lie. It turns out that the most efficient delivery system for capitalism is actually a communist-style police state, fortressed with American “homeland security” technologies, pumped up with “war on terror” rhetoric. And the global corporations currently earning superprofits from this social experiment are unlikely to be content if the lucrative new market remains confined to cities such as Shenzhen. Like everything else assembled in China with American parts, Police State 2.0 is ready for export to a neighborhood near you.
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Grace Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 2:17 am
Morocco, that is it, you called it. Shenzen is a prototype and by the looks of it they are ready for full tilt boogie.
“It turns out that the most efficient delivery system for capitalism is actually a communist-style police state, fortressed with American “homeland security” technologies, pumped up with “war on terror” rhetoric.”
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Hey, Denk, thanks for your input! The U.S. has been moving to counter the threat posed by an emergent China for many years even though China, unlike the U.S., seems content with its own borders.
But how do you counter a country that, soon enough, will have the world’s biggest army and economy and already owns much of the U.S? It is not going to allow U.S. domination for much longer.
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hello dg
in this guardian piece,
http://tinyurl.com/yckhle8
the good professor ac graling claimed that china is
**an imperialist, irredentist, massively human-rights-violating totalitarian state that will use any means to get its way** [sic]
this is my reply…
[such as .......?
torturing the locals who are unwilling to part with their possession and land..........no, i am not talking about gitmo either.
this fine western tradtion goes way back to centuries ago
http://tinyurl.com/26l5ur
bumping off leaders who refuse to submit to the washington concensus ?
http://tinyurl.com/lvkxby
killers who slit women and children's throat at night....after raping them ?
http://tinyurl.com/kob8mv
false flags ?
http://tinyurl.com/98kd4
blackops ?
http://tinyurl.com/3czfjq
sabotages ?
http://tinyurl.com/d8up42
[jim press, spare us your infantile ned/soros wisecracks, they have blood on their hand , lots of it, you do care about hr, i presume ?]
cultivating yet more “our kind of guys”
http://tinyurl.com/4fndqt
coups ?
http://tinyurl.com/2gn6g
covert wars ?
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/6141
proxy wars ?
http://tinyurl.com/4tndam
outright invasions ?
http://tinyurl.com/fqpck
biowar…….now whats with this “advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes ” ?
http://tinyurl.com/5afu9g
phew, what’d they think of next !!
hell, u aint seen nuthin yet, i am writing a 5000 pages book on the subject right now]
but i am afraid the accursed chicoms would disappoint you big time, professor of philosophistry, no less.
see, those chicoms are one trick ponies, their modus operandii is always monies talk, they might be willing to grease some palms to get the job done…..just like everybody else.
but there’s all there is to it, sorry professor, the chinese are rather simple folks really, they dont even understand the concept of hr lol.
may be they should consider sending their cadres to the school of americas to immerse themselves in the democratic way of getting things done in a jiffy.
i heard the soa has changed its name to some fancy stuff ?]
my point is, uncle sham has lots of dirty tricks up his sleeve, dont write him off just yet.
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hello dg
why initiate moderation now ?
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David G Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Denk, if you submit a comment using another ISP, it will be moderated the first time. Most blogs operate this way.
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David G Reply:
**Denk, if you submit a comment using another ISP**
??, i have been using the same isp for the past 10 yrs now.
what i meant was my previous posts appeared instantly whereas the latest one was held up for moderatiom.
it now occurs to me its coz of the number of links used, which triggered the system’s antispam software. !
Morocco Bama
**Much of the criticism bandied about these days in the alternate media, to include blogs, is directed at the U.S. and Israel……and that criticism is warranted and well-deserved….but it comes at a cost of not critically evaluating the rest of the world and the entire picture. China is not without criticism, and this is an opportunity to review just what exactly is going on in China.**
u seem to suggest that china has gotten off lightly with the “ic” [international communities], my own observation for the past five decades suggest exactly the opposite to be true, if anything , china has been singled out for demonisation, psyops and disinformation, never mind overt and covert operations, ever since uncle sham’s puppet dictator chiang “lost” china to the communits in 1949.
http://tinyurl.com/6xdr54
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Morocco Bama Reply:
March 8th, 2010 at 1:14 am
I said alternate media, denk….not the mainstream media which is nothing but pure propaganda. Granted, the alternate media is a mine field, but it is the only place you will come close to anything resembling the truth. That alternate media focuses heavily its criticism on the U.S. and Israel…..and as I said, rightfully so, but it does so at the expense of critically evaluating the entirety….and that entirety includes China.
China is no innocent party in any of this, denk….and I don’t subscribe to the notion that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That philosophy doesn’t fit here….and it’s a flawed philosophy anyway. I don’t believe China is an enemy of Oligarchical Tyranny and Totalitarianism….it is part of it. And, China is not one monolithic entity, nor is the U.S. As my one link indicated, there were vast differences (socially, politically and demographically) between three generations in just one Chinese family.
And when I say China is not innocent in any of this..it is because China has willingly subsidized the Imperialist Prosperity of the U.S. and the West for the past 25-30 years. If it was so pure, it would have gone the route of Iran and refused to get in bed with the “devil.” It’s now too intertwined to unravel itself from the death grip of the Greedy Python hell bent on subsuming the universe….in fact, it’s now been absorbed and is very much a part of that Greedy Python choking the life out of every living thing, perceived and unperceived.
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Morocco Bama Reply:
**I said alternate media, denk….not the mainstream media which is nothing but pure propaganda. Granted, the alternate media is a mine field, but it is the only place you will come close to anything resembling the truth. That alternate media focuses heavily its criticism on the U.S. and Israel…..and as I said, rightfully so, but it does so at the expense of critically evaluating the entirety….and that entirety includes China.**
in case u havent noticed, china is one issue that unite the left, right and centre in the west. tibet, for example, has been done to death in the msm AND no less critically in alternate media [dv, cd, cif, huffposts, etc etc, ], can u tell me when was the last time kashmir, or assam, nagaland, manipur , aceh, west papua etc was featured in the alterante sites in the past ten yrs, never mind the msm ?
**And when I say China is not innocent in any of this..it is because China has willingly subsidized the Imperialist Prosperity of the U.S. and the West for the past 25-30 years. If it was so pure, it would have gone the route of Iran and refused to get in bed with the “devil.” **
whoever but you said china is “pure” ?
china is just looking out for its own interest …..surprise surprise, its just like everybody else
but at least china doesnt do economic hitmen, coups, blackops and wars, tis is a whole lot “purer” than the democrazies in persuing its goal.
**It’s now too intertwined to unravel itself from the death grip of the Greedy Python hell bent on subsuming the universe….in fact, it’s now been absorbed and is very much a part of that Greedy Python choking the life out of every living thing, perceived and unperceived**
lest u forget, india has long jumped on uncle sham’s bandwagon, russia has already changed side, right now china is the only one standing between amerikka and iran
http://tinyurl.com/yeouy9k
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I still don’t see where you’re going with your argument, denk. Not only do I not agree with it, but it appears to be quite transparent. I’m talking about preventing global greed and power, in its entirety, of which China is part and parcel of, and you’re defending China. Have you ever heard of Power Vacuums, denk? Historically, what happens when the Big Dog falls from power? That’s right…another Big Dog rises in its place….and so the carousel continues. We must get rid of the carousel once and for all, and that means addressing the principles at play, not the various actors.
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But Morocco and Denk, the principles and the actors are intertwined. China, an interesting country with one of the world’s oldest civilizations and with the world’s largest populations, is engaged in trying to mix water and oil (socialism is the water and capitalism is the oil), an impossible task.
America is one of the world’s youngest civilizations, one with only 5% of the world’s population, and is a country that claims it is a democracy when the truth is that it is run by greedy corporations, religious fundamentalists, politicians, the military and a handful of wealthy individuals.
To further add to the confusion, China owns much of the U.S. and the U.S. wants to make lots of money out of the emergence of China. Of course, America wants to be King of the World but China, not really known as an imperial power in the Roman-American style (although its occupation of Tibet is regrettable), is not going to allow America to force it into an inferior position.
There are no absolutes here. It is a work in progress!
Cheers.
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wake up and smell the coffee mb
i dont see any power “vacuum” here
i only see china getting choked and smothered from all sides by the “devil” [in your word] and its cohorts
http://tinyurl.com/yafaavp
china isnt competing to “take over the world”, its fighting for its very survival, mb.
as if all the evidence i posted before arent enough to drive thru this point, did u read them anyway ?
**but you seem to be pushing the conclusion that if you wipe out the United States, you end the problem. **
no you’re the one who say it, but then it isnt far off the truth either.
tell me mb, whose hand was behind all the coups , sabotages, unrest and wars, all the bloodshed and mayhem in the past decades, no, make it past five decades ?
get the idea ?
i am not here to “defend china” , i just cant stand bs.
you are echoing a current myth pervading in many alternate sites, never mind the msm, which claims that china is akin to the new “evil empire” taking over amerrika’s rule, me think this reeks of disinfo.
i dont know why u harp about china’s environment disaster and it’s increasing materialistism and social decadence, its a huge problem but its a threat to the chinese themselves,
as for china the new “satan” taking over the reign from amerikka …….
you wanna bet ?
if ten yrs from now, i’ll make it fifty if you are game, you hear a news bulletin which announe that “200 civilians, mostly women and children, were killed in a bombing raid this morning in……[some 3 world country]“,
who’d you think the perpetrator might be, i say it would still be amerikka and its nato cohorts.
as for your other claim that china has been “having it easy with the alternate sites”, you didnt answer me when was the last time kashmir, for example, was highlighted in the alternate sites, let alone the msm.
well i will help u out with this one, there’s a recent piece, a rare one, do read it AND THE cOMMENTS TOO, there IS an elephant in the room mb and it aint china !
http://tinyurl.com/yl4jrse
and it isnt limited to the msm either.
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it could happen, but it’s still a long way away.
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