Christmas Is Nearly Here!

Friends, as we approach Christmas the most christian nation on earth is engaged in two wars, is using drones in Pakistan, has just launched two cruise missiles at so-called ‘terrists’ in Yemen, is now building military bases in Columbia, and is still threatening to nuke Iran or allowing Israel to do so.
As an ex-Christian, I know full well what Jesus preached and it sure as hell wasn’t about encouraging folk to become involved in endless war and killing and it wasn’t about praising things like greed, racism, imperialism and injustice.
However, we have talked about these things constantly throughout the year and, importantly, we have made our voices heard.
During this holiday break I’d like to present you with an image of peace and simplicity, a rare commodity in this crazy world.
I hope that, during the festive season, you will find moments of peace and love. I hope too that you will recharge your batteries so that, together, we can continue to try to make the world a better place in the New Year!
Take care of yourselves and many thanks for your great contributions throughout the year.
P.S. I’ll be monitoring the blog until the 2nd of January. After that, things may be rather sporadic.


…is now building military bases in Columbia…
Not to mention pushing the Dutch government to give the US access to the Dutch West Indies for staging military operations against Venezuela. Hugo Chavez mentioned that a day or two ago.
Happy holidays David (de Ecuador).
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David G Reply:
December 22nd, 2009 at 10:21 am
Kvatch, you too work tirelessly to try to make things better. My best wishes to you and your lovely wife!
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David, Thank you very much for this blog, your are an insightful man. You and all the commentators here have enriched my life with knowledge, compassion and a greater appreciation of issues surrounding our fellow humans even though I believe humans are a failed species.
I hope you and all the commentators have a safe and happy season and if health is the first wealth, may you ALL be very wealthy. See you in the new year!!!!!!!!!!
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Even Pope Benedict Ratzinger very recently referred to the Jews as the chosen people. Christ’s praised beatitudes are ignored by the mighty church leaders.
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Grace Reply:
December 31st, 2009 at 6:15 am
One more reason why even though I am baptised Catholic, I think perhaps I am not a Catholic.
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Kemosobi, you have enriched our lives too!
Therese, the Church has failed its flock. There is no Christ in Xmas anymore (assuming there ever was).
Cheers.
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Therese Reply:
December 26th, 2009 at 2:38 am
Maybe that failure prompted that woman to knock over the Pope in the basillica on Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas, dear.
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yeah, all this mumbo jumbo religious business hasn’t got us anywhere…………..and the brainwashed sheeple who ‘blindly’, faithfully follow these abysmal doctrines believe they are helping……….the planet is burning and time is wasted praying to a deity no-one can even see!!!! what kind of rubbish is that?
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Thanks for the beautiful image David. I too wish for peace and love for everyone. Thank you for providing this website so that we may come here and have wonderful conversations. It helps so much knowing that there are several around the world who care about other people and the earth!
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Being with the people I love will make for a wonderful Xmas this year, but I am very afraid of what what Xmas in the future will be for my family and friends. Between climate change, peak oil, and the greed of the rich the “good life” we are living is disappearing. While there is much in that “good life” that is both bad for us and wrong having shelter, food and safety is important and I fear that even those small needs are in danger for all of us much too soon if we do not change how the world is run.
I will enjoy this time that is so precious, even more precious, because I know it can’t last.
Wishing you all the best in the New Year! I hope everything goes well for you and that you can resume your normal life soon.
At times like this I wish I were a christian so I could say I was praying for you. If thoughts count know that I will be thinking of you.
Thank you for all the wonderful and thought provoking posts!
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Coco, once, long ago, I was a believer so I understand the effect that religious belief can have on people. It distorts your whole thinking process. Yes, there are serious problems that should be dealt with and praying isn’t going to affect any of them.
Kathy, I also get a great deal of benefit from this site and the wonderful people who come here. You all keep me going!
Jeannie, thanks for your comment and the sentiments contained therein. Hope you enjoy the festive season and spread your love wherever you go.
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Funny how winter entered in the northern hemisphere exactly in the eve of the Copenhagen CC summit with, in Denmark heavy snow and freezing like in the ‘good ol’ day’s. This combined with ‘the’ revealation of a internal email crush down may have convinced even the most slow-witted that this overhyped danger for a fusion, is invented only, in order to pull money from the taxpayer’s pocket.
The future may bring a clearer answer to this mysterium.
Any how I’ve spend the latest two day shovelling snow from the attic of my (model 1886/tile roof of a) house, caused by a blizzard. To that futhermore comes, my water supply has frozen.! , and heavy snowdrifts prevents me form going to the shopping malls buying indulgence/christmas gifts. May I ask for adjournment.
Enough is enough about my ridiculous small problems when I come to think of Palestinians living in Gaza under seizure, barely allowed to the most basic necessities.
I too, think this site is the best, among all other (left wing) and very unique place to share thoughts with other.
In a undentified way this site has ‘personnallity’ compared to many other likes. This is overall thanks to David. – and Thanks, David for that, but what would it be without all you / other wonderful people gathering / commenting here. Thank you all.
Merry Xmas
send you – ALL – my love
peace
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David G Reply:
December 23rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Don’t fall off the roof, John! And don’t eat too much on Xmas Day but a glass of wine or two is allowed.
Take care.
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John you make me smile. I would love to see your tile roof. Here we have asphalt shingle roofs. I’m sorry for your blizzard conditions. I should have said a prayer to the universe to not send you any blizzards while I was asking for you to have no more hurricanes or droughts!! (As if I have any power at all)…..
Frozen water supply is no fun. I remember it from when I was a child. In my EARLY childhood we didn’t have a water supply coming into our house. We had to walk a short distance to a spring to bring water to the house in our buckets. It never froze because it was constantly running. My mother had a big iron kettle in the back yard and she built a fire under it to heat the water to a boil to wash clothes in it.
My family was considered poor so we children didn’t have snow boots. When my mother would go off to work, I would get a pair of her old boots! I put on 3 pairs of socks and covered them in a Bunny bread wrapper to keep everything dry. We did the same with our hands because we didn’t have gloves!! We didn’t have a real snow sled but my father found the hood of an old car that would slide well on the snow with about 10 children piled on!!! We always started at the top of a big long hill that was part of my cousin’s property. (All of us with our several pairs of socks covered in Bunny bread wrappers) and at the bottom of the hill we had to make a decision! If we veered to the left we would slide out onto a pond that wasn’t sufficiently frozen. If we veered too far right we would end up in a frozen briar patch!! Many times we had to abandon the hood before we reached certain death!!! HA!! And then we would drag the hood back to the top of the hill and start all over! We would have a strategy that the next time we went down the hill we would lean one way or another to make our car hood go a certain way!! Fun times! Little children with lots of fresh cold air and lots of energy!!
John and everyone else….what is your favorite xmas food? or traditions? I would love ideas from Denmark, Australia, etc etc. ……..I have no like minded friends or family here. Would love to hear more about what you all love and what puts you at peace.
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coco Reply:
December 24th, 2009 at 8:52 am
ok kathy, here’s my favourite traditions:
when we were kids, our present used to be one of my father’s socks filled with a tangerine, a few walnuts and a bar of chocolate hanging on the end of the bed. i used to save all my pocketmoney and buy gifts for my parents and my sister. they always got the same thing every year!!!! (but i was only 11/12 so didn’t have much imagination then. )
i don’t celebrate xmas now. for me it’s just a commercial rip off!! and i’m not christian
what puts me at peace is talking to animals and performing yoga.
happy holidays to you.
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Wonderful, and very funny story from your childhood of inventiveness , Kathy, much like mine, I can see.
Poverty/wealth isn’t only just about money, as you’ve said earlier . It’s not least about utilizing the given possibilities.
My own biggest ‘project’ when I was a child was, building a three-wheeled ‘car’ (a sack truck with a bum-pusher with a 50cc engine borrowed from a moped/motorbike) my father was a blacksmith so I could weld, that was funny times.
The food which I indentify with Xmas is first and foremost rice porridge/pudding with cinnanon (or cream Xmas night, in Denmark we eat/ celebrate at Christmas eve (dec. 24) my favorite dish (from childhood days) is “roast leg of pork” (I se in dic.) and [kind of sausage] and NOT LEAST caramelled potatoes and the rice pudding. – thats it, Kathy – after this my stomach is ‘developed’… and must have a ‘time off’
You can actually take a look/wathc at my 3000m2 property form/on the internet Kathy.
Search for adresse’, air or luft photo or satellite photo etc..
the Adresse is: Hustedvej, 6830 Nr. Nebel Danmark.
I dont know if it is on specific Danish searchengine. but just try out.
I cannot remember the exact internet adresse. I’ll try to tjek it out my self, when I’ve better time.
Have fun
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Sorry Kathy
I forgot the house number:
Hustedvej (number) 41
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Merry Merry Christmas to everybody here!
Thank You David for hosting us all here.
I really want to make a commitment to myself to elevate my spirit and always maintain a cheerful disposition. Passionate and concerned, but at all times cheerful. My sorrow and grief over the things I cannot influence does not help neither me nor those things. I allowed myself too many times to drift away from those CHILDHOOD feelings you all describe, where what happens tomorrow, what we have or do not have, the games, the play.. we should cherish those times and seek to replicate them.
Thank you all for reminding me we are not alone. we are many.
Merry Merry Christmas, and wish you all in the New Year to maintain and cherish the childlike disposition. Be Happy.
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Thank you David. You have been a gracious host. I do look forward in 2010. I will think of you and send good thought energy your way during that time.
For many years and especially since my injury, I have come to identify with the teachings of both Buddha and Christ. More so though, Christ, because I feel like I have a cross to bear and I ask for him to be with me on a regular basis.
These people that call themselves Christians and then support cruel, divisive, murderous, greedy policies, – the very ones that Christ would have condemned! – those people are GUILTY – and it is why they fill churches every week. They know they are sinners, yet have no desire to change a single thing apart for eliminating abortions for women. Something, that at the bottom line for me is a medical situation/decision that the church and state should butt out of AND if they cared SO much for unborn children and their mothers, perhaps they would provide more education and support and places these women could go. NO, No that might actually solve the problem! They are too busy slandering and judging people that they mock as weaker than themselves! Most of my brother and sisiter Christians can go to Hell as far as I am concerned. I say this in the hope that they might learn genuine humility and therefore more truly represent the man that the shouting hoardes condemned to death on a cross and now say He is their Man – when you and I know that if Christ actually showed up again they would have to crucify him.
One year ago was Operation Cast Lead. Where Palestinians (mostly women, children and the elderly and the innocent) were killed per Israeli, respectively 100:1
This line stood out for me from an article about how the whole world community has failed the Gazan/ Palestinian people:
“Sick, traumatised and impoverished people are being collectively punished by a cruel, illegal policy imposed by the Israeli authorities,” said Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International UK.
Unfortunately this is true and I had an experience that made me feel a particular kinship with this truth.
A man who calls himself an American, but is really an Israeli in heart and mind, kicked me and my son out of the house that he had bought for me -when I got too sick. At that time, I really felt the way Palestinian families feel when they lose their homes, have to escape with whatever belongings they can grab and are left on the side of the road to fend for themselves. (My husband and I had separated because of alcoholism among other issues).
Israel is an evil monster with a toothless whore/ hag for a consort.
Ok, now that that is clear, have a happy holyday.
Peace.
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Positive thoughts 4 you through next year my friend.
I figure, our every day interactions help make the world a better place, such as it is.
Now if we all only had the money to go out and spend it in ways to help those who need it
in a positive way, that would be the best.
Sadly, I’ll never get there ; (
Cheers and my Best, as always.
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Dear Kathy
I do really not hope you may have to celebrate the xmas all alone, Kathy ?
“.I have no like minded friends or family here ”
If you want to have a look at my humble place/property . I have tried it out, and can tell you where to go:
Go to Internet addres: ” http://map.krak.dk ” (it is in Danish) then
select “KORT” (the green one)
and now, to the left “S¢g på kort” (search on map)
at “HVOR” (=where) you input / my address) “Hustedvej 41, 6830, Nr. Nebel”
and then — if it works
you can zoom in + 17 (it’s a picture taken 2or3 years ago, in summertime.
The tiles are NOT clear red, unfortunately sooted by smoke from the chimney. The blue you can see to the left side of the roof is trapez plates (PBC/plastic transparent ) but but but.. I have to say. If you really want a good clear picture, this isn’t it, but though better than nothing..
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Grace Reply:
December 25th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Thank you, John. ‘Tis peaceful and organized. That, with your stories are lovely. Thanks again. Took me out of my world for a moment : ).
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sorry again,
I missed it – you also have to select the (BLUE) LUFTFOTO (photo from satellite)
good luck
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I appreciate the positivity, it is the gift of this time of year. There is wonder to be enjoyed. I appreciate the stories of happy times. Thanks you all. Merry Christmas.
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Hej Dear John,
ha ha ha
guess what?
given the fact that you indicated in your post how to, I also took the liberty to perform a virtual “visit” at your place on Christmas!
I went on the site and seen your quote “humble” place, other than humble by my standards!
That is a wonderful place!
Surrounded by green fields
and not in the heat and crowd of the city.
Quite near to the sea shore as well!
LUKCY YOU!!!!
Enjoy it! as well as I am sure you can still enjoy some clean food raised nicely and naturally from mother Earth.
Bless you and thank you for allowing us to “visit” you,
Merry Christmassss!!!!!
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dear Adina
I am so happy you took the time to visit my place, Adina, your so welcome.
I bought the place in 1992 and at this time, then, I planted 250 spruces trees, these trees has now grown big (3-4m high) and last year again I planted another 150 more of same (spruces), I prefere evergreen growth.
This place, for me, is a true paradize, but I would’ve liked yet more trees / vegetation mainly because, as you can see on the ‘luftfoto’ (air-photo) the area (west-coast of jylland) is overall very flat-leveled / plane and that’s because when the wind is blowing, (which it does MOST of the time, and especially in winter times) it feels much colder than what the thermometer shows, if not sheltered of by plants.
Your are quite right, I am thankful to be out (from the city) in the more peaceful country side.
With regard to the comment you made in an earlier post, Adina although I shall never try pretending to be a professor out in psychology, I want to comment with regards to your intention to behave cheerfully.
Since I know you as the lovely and caring humanbeing you are I don’t think it’s such a great idea to try to be, or behave in a way it isn’t really you.
I think I, and all other people here HAVE TO LOVE YOU (and everybody else) just like you are (take it or leave it) -the ‘Adina’ ,as we know and love, her, sweet and lovely, sad, depressed, happy or whatever – you are, the Adina, the lovely.
also thanks to you, Grace. Your comment does my heart good – I’m so glad if I can help ease the pain you so obviously feel inside when you write / ask for “Take me out of my world for a moment ” I wish for you, and all peace and love.
wish you all a
Merry Xmas
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confession ! – to the attentative(e) (me fool)
I made a blunder. It was in the year 2002 that I bought “Hustedvej 4″ – ( NOT 1992 as I’ve written earlier)
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Is it possible to make influence on the Rafah crossing authorities, in order for George Galloway / Viva Palestine to pass through into Gaza ?.
I have done a piece of text – and send it. – why do you think. can it help ?
omaryoussef@hotmail.com
Egyptian Embassy,
Omar Youssef
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Ahmed Azzam
the Palestine Division in Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
Cairo
ahmed.azzam@mfa.gov.eg
As a world-citizen, I am extremely worried on behalf of the plight of the Palestinian people living in Gaza.
A people besieged and superwised tweentyfour hours a day, by the occupier and ever land-stealing suppressor, Israel.
Therefore herewith I shall request you to let be open the Rafah crossing in order for the beseiged people be supplied with whatever goods they may want or need from the outside world, in order, as all other world citizens, being able to conduct a decent life.
With the greatest respect
John Lund Jensen
Hustedvej 41
Lunde
Denmark
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This is Christmas morning here. I hope you are all enjoying the holiday so far. I tried signing on yesterday and the internet kept telling me the website didn’t exist!!!!
Thanks for sharing favorite traditions with me. John, I will have to try the cinnamon cream pudding. I love cinnamon. I put it in my coffee very often.
I too visited the photo of your home. Wonderful!!!! The trees make a fort for privacy and against the cold weather. Great idea!!
John I didn’t mean for you to think I would spend Christmas alone. I have family and friends but they are not like minded as we are here on this blog. They don’t care about the wars. They don’t see that America has fallen. They don’t see that the US dollar is being demised on purpose. My three brothers, sister and mother have land but none of them try to grow their own food. I tried to tell them all to stock up on some extra food, water and supplies just in case something happens that could shut down our food supply. They just laugh and say “if an emergency happens we will just come to your house and use your food and water.” They think it’s all a joke and that I shouldn’t worry myself thinking about all these bad things. So although I’m surrounded by people that I love, I don’t have much to say to them that they want to hear. I told them all yesterday that I’m going to move back to the country with them in 2010 and grow a garden. I think they will believe it when they see it! Love and peace to you all.
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Love and Peace, to all dogooders.
I so fervently hope that the Jews of Israel do not again this Christmas season go after Gaza, with a vengeance, and am so disappointed that President Jimmy Carter just finished profusely apologizing to the Jews of the USA for any insult they might have taken for his past criticisms of the violence of Israhell. (Oh well, I guess he just wants to appease Jewish power in an effort to help get his grandson elected to a state legislative office, for which he wants to run).
And so it goes!
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Therese, I too noticed that Jimmy Carter has been opening his mouth too much this year. I wish peace for Gaza and the world. If only it could happen!!!!
My favorite xmas song is by John Lennon called “Merry Christmas, war is over” I don’t have John’s version but Jimmy Buffett did a remake and I have that. I know I wear my kids out listening to that song so much!! (But they are all adults and they can go visit friends if they don’t like it!!) They usually stay here and indulge me.
My daughter came to me two years ago and asked me what I wanted for xmas. I told her nothing. I have everything I need. She insisted and I said okay get me some new socks. She said no thats not a real gift. I told her to let me think about it and I would get back to her. (She said she and her brothers wanted to pool their money and buy me a serious gift.) A week later she asked me if I had come up with an idea. I said yes. “I want a wooden flute,,, A native American Indian flute.” She cocked her head to the side much like a dog does when it wonders what you are saying to it!!! hahaha…She asked me if I knew how to play a flute. I said,,,, “not yet, but if other people can play them I’m sure I can too!” Well, I got my flute!! Turns out, I can play ‘Twinkle Twinkle little star’ easy enough. This causes much laughter in my home. I can even play some things that sound like Indian music! (I can’t read music) but I can sound it out sometimes. This is just another fun memory I thought I’d share.
We have so much wrong in the world, so much to work on that it makes me feel heavy hearted. I wanted to share the flute story as a light hearted event to offset the bad things.
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Oops! Forgot to post a link to my favorite xmas song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1zm4E9d1oo
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Still Christmas here. A wonderful day and a happy seven year old boy has been happily building, reading manuals and playing all day. Tomorrow we will pick out a new piano for him! We had to leave behind the piano we had. More importantly, this 7 yr old got the wish that every kid wishes: his parents are together again. Feels like an accomplishment. We never stopped raising him together and we lived together for many years even while we were separated. We have both grown up, and now we value the simplicity of being a loving family. What matter is being together.
“Be it ever so humble, there’s no place like home.”
Which brings to to the cruel state of the world. Life is both delicate and mighty.
I wish we were all out in the streets, right now, singing, “War Is Over..”
WIth the besieged people of Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, the sinking Island Nations, Central America and Haiti in mind, I pray for a warm nutritious, delicious meal and a warm and safe bed for all people tonite and every night on our precious planet. We can learn to live together with what we know. Live together with nature and biodiversity.
While Israel has been at war this whole time, and some are power hungry reactionaries with bombs, some other humans have evolved. Technology has advanced for the better, new options are possible. War is for the dark ages and appeals to the lowest point of human fear and survival. Barbarous. Worse than animals. Evolution is a choice. Give Peace a chance.
Good will toward all living beings.
Peace on EarthShip.
Good planets like Earth!! are (still) hard to find. we will search long and hard..looking for what we already have, and while we are busy looking elsewhere, we may lose the very thing we so desire. Speeding up only makes us not see the scenery and lose the plot. Even though there is a sense of a time pressure here, folks. Contrary to hypervigilant survival mechanism, slowing down (when not dodging bombs) actually helps one to gain a sense of control.
2010 may be the year of the slow movement. Slowing down and appreciating what we have. Fixing things rather than a throw away society. Local food, lower carbon footprint. The greatest pollution is the tar sands extraction process, mountaintop (coal )removal. it is the biggest polluters fueled by OUR lifestyle that we as no longer citizens , but as consumers, we have our greatest voice. If we all burn candles after dark and start going to bed earlier – stop needing so much energy. unplug appliances that are not actually being used. Power companies (which used to be public utilities) will be wont to admit it , but if people did this small measure en masse, it would shake ‘em up.
Peace and justice for all.
Cheers!
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kathy Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Grace I just picked up on your full post here. It’s beautiful!! Glad your 7 year old was building on Christmas day. Also glad that he is getting a new piano and more importantly as every child wants….his parents are together!
I can tell from all your posts that you are a special person. Thoughtful on what it means to be a mother and a fellow human/spiritual being wanting the best for the universe.
When you mentioned ‘give peace a chance’ it brought to mind another John Lennon song that I love. And not to give the impression that I was a total fan of the Beatles,,,not at all. But some lyrics of John’s after they broke apart and some while they were still a group ring true and important to me.
I wish for you and everyone here a wonderful 2010. Let’s keep thinking and picturing peace and understanding…tolerance as much as we can..Thoughts are things and they carry power. Lets make our thoughts count!!
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Friends, it’s Boxing Day morning here in Australia. I’ve read all the comments that came in overnight and I must say I was moved by them. This blog shows what can be achieved by reasonable, caring people who have an environment of understanding and tolerance to support them.
In fact, I might leave the blog open during the 8 week period of my radiology and you can interact with each other with me contributing on weekends when I return home.
Grace your last comment is particularly moving. It gives voice to what many people in the world hope for, are prepared to do for the planet. Of course, the warmongers and the greedy don’t share these goals, so busy are they with their mission for power, for great wealth, for a luxurious lifestyle. What cretins they are!
I’ll put up a new post tomorrow but, in the interim, let me wish everyone a Happy Xmas. We had turkey for Xmas lunch yesterday and, even better, we had two inches of rain and a nice cool day. More rain is coming today and, given we’re in drought, Santa brought the best present he could’ve!
Love and Peace to you all.
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coco Reply:
December 26th, 2009 at 10:18 am
thank you david for your kind wishes and your ideas for us to interact. it’s nearly boxing day here in southern europe but the weather is so bizarre………..two inches of rain has nothing on what we are experiencing now. i’ve never seen anything like it in the two years i’ve been here. and last week we had an earthquake………….something funny going on!!!!
anyway, enjoy the rest of the year and stay ‘cool’……….
we are all sending happy thoughts your way…………
coco et al
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coco, something funny going on…. I will offer some ideas if you have a chance to study them.
As far as earthquakes and tsunamis…research the work of Nikola Tesla. I know the wikipedia isn’t considered to be the end all of research but it is a good place to start.
Tesla was called a mad scientist is some circles but after his death his information was taken by the US department of defence and kept top secret. Some say the US project called HAARP is part of Tesla’s inventions. He was very much into electricity, electro-magnetism and frequencies. Playing around with the electro magnetic frequency of the earth can cause earthquakes, tectonic shifts/tsunamis, volcanic eruptions too. So this is theory number one… That governments of the world are messing with the electro magnetism of the earth and causing more earthquakes.
Theory number two…. I have a friend that has said for years that we’re all going to die in the year 2012 because the Mayan calander says so!! I basically ignored that theory for years. But last year I started to notice more and more information about it.
Many believe that the Mayan calander doesn’t point to the end of the world but rather the end of the world as we know it!! Some scientists are saying that it’s because the earth is shifting its electro magnetic field and the earth’s frequency is changing. It started a few years ago and will reach it’s conclusion in 2012. The shifting energy fields are supposedly having an effect on people and the planet. (could cause earthquakes and other events)
I don’t know if either theory holds truth but I think probably some nuggets of truth are in there. Interesting studies though!!
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coco Reply:
December 26th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
thanks david, i read about haarp just before the iraq invasion and researched it then. since, of course, it’s hardly ever mentioned except for people like us who want to know the truth. i’ve said for a long time that something is approaching and that the governments know but don’t want to panic the sheeple. so they let them get on with their lives and force them propaganda to blame it on unwitting nations/religions etc. time will tell but certainly things aint what they used to be………………..here’s a good link for the ‘unofficial’ website:
http://www.haarp.net
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coco Reply:
December 27th, 2009 at 9:53 am
apologies kathy. i replied thinking it was david who posted those theories. just shows how i don’t pay attention sometimes…………….
but anyway, it also shows how our minds are on the same wavelength and we have ‘common denominators’…………
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kathy Reply:
December 28th, 2009 at 3:24 am
That’s okay coco. I’m just glad more and more people are aware of the shady things the governments are involved in. Sounds like you have been aware for a lot longer than I.
I agree with you that ‘they’ know something that we don’t. They are keeping it from us. Something wicked this way comes??? Something even more wicked than the truths we’ve been able to discover by our own research!
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dear Kathy
Just to correct possible misunderstandings.
With regard to the dish, you and I talked about, as you know, I have to seek help from the English dictionary and it isn’t allways a clear message you get form here.
To start with (the ingredience needed to cook the dish (grain of) rice)
What one have to buy from the agrocery/store is the UNprepared “pudding rice” = porridge rice – AND milk, of course
LATER after having boiled it, an hour or so [(what (so ever) having an annoying / inevitable tendency to allwasy boil over)] BUT – well through this stage, you have a DISH of (grain of) rice = rice porridge
The mistake Kathy, is, we /I do not eat the dish adding BOTH, cinnanon AND cream at the same time. (although I’m not the least in doubt it will taste excellent).
But the way we traditionally eat it ( on ordinary days ) is, by sprinkling the porridge with sugar/cinnanon AND also WHAT I FORGOT to tell , a BIG blob of butter
(exactly like the Xmas pixy’s (living upstairs dressed like SantaClaus!!) eat it)
UNLIKE we (deadly) beings at Xmas night, eat it with (the dic. tells)= double cream OR (less fat) whipping cream, OR heavy cream, the choice is yours!! AND also (what I forgot lately) the CHERRY JUICE.
cheers all
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Kathy
further more
I wish you luck with the project of moving to the country side.
Do you have an idea how much such a property may cost, (in America) (the cheapest end of the scale (surely there isn’t no upper limet?)
I bought my place in the year 2002 only for app.25.000$ (120.000Kr) but, (have to be mentioned/admit) barely livable for a family, caused by dilapidation.
To this:
“I tried signing on yesterday and the internet kept telling me the website didn’t exist.”
I just have this to say to:
Just ignore the everlasting error-message from MSoft. – assuming your PC is running on MicroSoft.
and I AM SICK AND TIRED OF this crap SYSTEM. You are not allowed having a minut without if NOT the then the other pop-up message, do this do that, and if you don’t, your PC is at risk.. etc. etc..SHIT – MS and mio my ash!! – to hell
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David
Just in case you arn’t aware. (although I don’t know if Australia has such a thing) but since two month ago I have shifted to a wirefree internet connection via USB – MOBILMODEM. (based on Turbo G3 or EDGE) – cheaper than the old telefon-modem connection.
The system depends on a terrestrial net of send/ receivers (not too far away) I have 20km to the nearest of mine). but if you live in a city, there is no problems, it works excellent.
My best wishes for a happy new year – to all.
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kathy Reply:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:02 am
John, one could probably still buy an old dilapidated farm house with one or two acres for $25,000 or close to it. I will not be buying though. I will be renting. I don’t have enough money to buy a home right now and I have made some tough choices this year to determine that I never want to live in debt again.
I could go into great details of my story but I will try to keep it as short as possible.
I quit my job last year in October. I originated mortgage loans for the military. They were called VA loans. So please understand that I didn’t originate any of the sub-prime loans that have been talked about on the news. Our VA loans came with very many regulations that we had to follow in order to protect the veterans. I did this job for almost 12 years. In the final 4 years I worked for a companay called RMC (Realty Mortgage Corporation) they were a correspondent lender for Countrywide (One of the largest mortgage companies in the USA) Countrywide would fund the loan. RMC had their line of credit through Countrywide.
RMC had branches throughout the USA including several in California and Nevada (Las Vegas) In those branches out west, they DID originate sub-prime loans for Countrywide. Countrywide had a large selection of sub-prime and Alt-A loan products available. Toward the end of 2007, Countrywide started to withdraw some of their loan products. It was a very slow incremental process. We were not affected in my city but some of the RMC branches started to close in the west. Every step of the way I kept asking my regional manager if our company was okay. He kept assuring me and everyone else that we were not going to go out of business. He said that Countrywide was too big to fail. They started to change our VA loan guidelines as time went on, making it harder for veterans to get home loans. This wasn’t right! The department of Veteran’s affairs set the home loan guidelines for veterans and yet the LENDERS were now saying no. They were no longer accepting all of the VA standards. I started to buy books about money to study what was going on. You might be surprised to know that a mortgage loan originator would not understand all aspects of money. But the world of banking and investing, bond trading, stocks, mortgages are all compartmentalized. I could be the best mortgage loan originator in the world because I had studied all the thousands of pages of guidelines, and still not know one single thing about how the stock market works.
In early 2008 RMC asked us to take a pay cut. We did. They layed off our receptionist but told us these measures were being taken so that we could stay in business. A couple of months later they layed off one of our best loan underwriters. After that they cancelled the cleaning team that came every week to clean the office. (All in an effort to cut back on expenses while we were going through hard times) We all took turns to help. We cleaned our own office, we took turns being the receptionist, we took our pay cuts. Countrywide went under and they told us it was still going to be okay because Bank of America was going to take over Countrywide and RMC’s line of credit. Our lender guidelines kept changing at such a fast pace that someone who qualified for a home loan today didn’t qualify tomorrow because of some new email we would receive that changed yesterday’s guidelines. I was making myself sick over it. I continued to stay with the company hoping that the lenders would settle down and because I had medical insurance for my family through my work. But at the end of September 2008, they took away our insurance benefits because our production was so low we could no longer “qualify” as full time employees. If you are a part time employee here you can not qualify for any benefits. This broke my will to keep trying. My daughter has a medical condition and she was covered on my insurance. Even though the insurance had paid thousands of dollars on her treatments and surgeries, there were still thousands $$$$$ over the years that they wouldn’t pay. I took a second mortgage on my home to consolidate them under one monthly payment.
I quit my job last year on Oct 4th. They kept telling me that everything was going to be okay but I no longer believed them. Perhaps I should have stayed. When you quit your job you can’t draw unemployment checks! If I had stayed, the company went out of business in February, then I could have drawn my unemployment. Bank of America had finished acquiring what was left of Countrywide and they shut down RMC’s line of credit putting them out of business immediately. All of my old co-workers who had stayed, received an email at 10 minutes before quitting time that day telling them that they no longer had jobs! That’s how fast the end came for them. And up until that very moment, they were still being told that everything was going to be okay. RMC filed bankruptcy and some of the old co-workers never received their final paychecks.
John, I hope this story makes sense to you since I know you are learning English very well but I’m talking about mortgage guidelines and perhaps companies that you have never heard of. Sorry this story is too long but to explain further….I made a decision last year to stop paying corporations and taxes. I kept paying my house payments but nothing else. No credit cards and no student loans. Now I have stopped paying my house payments. I kept up my house payments as long as I could and to have time to indoctrinate my three adult children to the fact that we can’t stay here. My daughter and youngest son still live with me and my oldest son comes over many times a week to eat here!! They have been forewarned as to my plans to let this house in the suburbs go into foreclosure. My own credit score is now ruined. We Americans are indoctrinated from early adulthood to keep our credit scores good so that we can obtain more debt. (From what I understand, we are the biggest debt slaves on earth because we have obtained easy credit to finance all of our consumptions.) Our own government sets the worst of examples in consumption where there is no real money to cover the debts. The debt that the government owes right now will be passed on to my great grandchildren if I ever have any, by way of sticking it to we the the tax payers, and indeed it is enough to pass along to my great, great, great grandchildren!!!! Future generations of babies being born into tax and debt slavery is not what I want. Sponsoring wars around the world is not what I want. Upkeeping a fake money system of debt is not what I want.
When I still had my tv they kept telling me that everything was going to be okay. Where have I heard that before???? Things are not okay. They will keep telling us it’s okay for as long as they can get away with it. I choose not to believe “them” any more. So I am trying to get back to basic survival skills and friends with nature. I am trying to undo the thoughts of credit scores and living in debt. I will suffer with loss of some comforts and status, but I think I still have something in me that can manage to survive with nature. Many other Americans can’t say this because they were born in urban cities never connecting at all with nature.
When I get to wherever I’m going I may not have an internet. I will post it before I go and perhaps my sister will allow me to use her computer to drop in and say hello sometimes.
2010 will be a big change for me and my children. We may not ever make an impact on the world or even just America but this difference is something that I want my children to see. I want them to learn how to grow their own healthy food. And I want them to know how to make their own energy. So if any of you have ever built your own solar panels please let me know where to start!! I want to learn herbal remedies instead of pharmaceuticals and pass that on to my kids.
I read a phrase the other day that said “when you lose everything, then you are free to try anything.” I am choosing step by step to lose material things in order to try something good for all of us and the planet. Each step has been difficult for me. EGO gets in my way all the time. Wish me well please!!
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Grace Reply:
December 29th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Wow, Kathy! Yeah, they tell you they love you, right up to the last minute. It is a strategy I see more and more. A shock Doctrine, I suppose! I know you want to stay close to your children. I pray for a safe landing for you. Sounds like you are looking in the right directions and this is affirmed by the great saying you found, also, nature is remarkably responsive. You will be in my thoughts. You are not alone. Many an American is facing this very same situation.
At our very worst times. When we had the choice of the shelter or living in a tent in a friend’s yard, I kept thinking, ‘what if this is all a test?’ A test of who I really am. WIl I handle it with grace? I kept thinking of how Christ and other saints through time, handled bad situations and I wanted to be like them. It is not easy. There were drug dealing demons outside the window of one room we all lived in. You have to be careful out there. Our situation changed many times. We have been very blessed, But my husband’s company is acting squirrely these days. I don’t quite know where this is all leading. I would like to think -a good place! Breathing, exhaling deeply, relaxing inside your body. Remaining polite, no matter how ugly it gets. The Ganges River is Sacred BECAUSE, people believe it so. This whole planet is sacred and the air we breathe. I always thought as long as I could work, I could always live in a Zen community; growing food and serving soup. I wish you, and your family, well, Kathy.
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Thanks Grace! The Zen community idea is one that has crossed my mind too. It sounds blissful doesn’t it?
I think the changes and challenges are all important and indeed lead us to who we are today. Sounds like you’ve managed through some tough times and came out on top and stronger. I will be hoping that your husband’s job holds out since his company is acting squirrely. I think 2010 is going to be a strange year.
It was disturbing to see a news story on the internet that 1400 truckers had suddenly lost their jobs on Dec. 23rd. They worked for Arrow trucking company. They were out on the roads with their loads and were told to pull over and get to a Grey Hound bus station and they would buy them a ticket home. No notice!! This story was being blogged about and the bloggers were saying no one in the main stream media had covered it. Yesterday someone posted a video of a small news cast that had finally aired on tv. Apparently Arrow is a pretty large company and everyone was saying it should have been all over tv. Guess they were trying not to panic or outrage the public??
As a side note….I rented the ‘Rome’ series that you recommended and it was great!! The big chess board of politics is soooooooo derranged isn’t it? And everyone seems to live in a grand delusion waiting on government or corporations to tell them what comes next in their lives.
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There is a zen garden on the ocean in Marin. I visited it once and it was Easy to imagine staying. There is also another famous community on the coast in Monterrey; Tassajara. They are famous for their hand crafted fresh breads. I hope you find an equally, if not cloistered!, blissful place. As you probably know, it is not the size of the place, but the love, that makes it home.
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Very disturbing to hear of the truckers – 2 days before christmas and no warning!! I never heard of this story. That means it never even made it to many of the progressive sites I visit! That is the kind of news story that used to rally All Americans to a common cause. The night before Xmas”Twas quiet throughout the house (America) That many truckers canned like that is very serious. Trucks keep the life blood of this country flowing. Ominous end to 2009.
It is like the only thing I have is hope..(gulp)..
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Here’s a link to the trucker story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk4r7Er-XKc
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Democracy means: A government run by The People. Not, the sheeple run by The Government.
So true what you said in your observations about “Rome,’” Kathy;
“..everyone seems to live in a grand delusion waiting on government or corporations to tell them what comes next in their lives.”
We are at a turning point in consciousness, I hope (there I go again).
Peace and justice for all. Including the wild horses that are being forcibly removed from the wild in Nevada by The BLM this week. Those men and women have no sense of the greatness and natural majesty inherited on this land. I think alot about the treatment of the Native peoples that lived all over America and were herded up like these horses. I will call Senator DIanne Feinstein today. There is a protest at her office at noon today. We do what we can, even though she is just another deeply corrupt politician. In the ’90′s she sold out the ancient redwoods to a tax evading criminal from Texas..
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“Hope is an axe you break down doors with in an emergency. Hope should shove you out the door, because it will take everything you have to steer the future away from endless war, from the annihilation of the earth’s treasures and the grinding down of the poor and marginal… To hope is to give yourself to the future – and that commitment to the future is what makes the present inhabitable.”
-Rebecca Solnit
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kathy : December 28th, 2009 at 8:02 am
SOS…
I’ve tried several times to post a response to the (above-mentioned) post of yours this Kathy.! but it simple do not work – (hell!) do NOT know why
I’ll try (make a test) with this short message.
Wishing everybody a merry entry into the -,( and a happy, too) news year.
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Yyyyuuuoooobeee, how it work.
wåt se hell is ‘rong with se text?
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David G Reply:
January 1st, 2010 at 11:08 am
Hey john, you’re the second person to report problems with my blog! I’d call the administrator but he’s still in bed!
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Kathy (make another try)
I understand the difficulty of squeezing a long lived story of whole life, into a few lines, Kathy. Non the less , you did it
very well, and I thank you for sharing the story , of hard decisions with me / us.
It gives me a very good understanding of, – how desperate the situation is now, in this time of history
which you probably share with (20-30mill.)other Americans.?
What’s doing me most sad, is the fact that you, as the honourable, decent, and very prolific /citizen, you are, forced into a anti-society behavior. Not least the fact that you aren’t given other choice but, to STOP all payments,
How sad I know it might bee, as you tell, “destroys your credebility., My own credit score is now ruined” I am very sorry.
["I could be the best mortgage loan originator in the world because I had studied all the thousands of pages of guidelines, and still not know one single thing about how the stock market works."]
In short, as i see it, the stock-trading going on in Wall-street is very much to compare to the trade of the Mic. Jackson (a glove worth 500.000$ !! – will you believe in such a airy value.?
In my opinion Wall-street don’t add a single value to society,at all. it’s about (have other to ) believe OR NOT.
continue…..
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page two..
Kathy
Since the start of American / Iraq invasion 2003 I’ve followed the story through reading articles written by Mike Whitney, (a fabulous knowledgable man – ALSO about this subject). because I felt so strongly about this gemen ‘act’ a crime , by the GWB administration was a ‘ bad step for us in the ‘developed’ world of a wrong direction’ for the ‘beacon’ of the ‘free world’ to take.
I mention this because the same man, MW, started as late as 2oo6, as far as I remember, warning, against, and forecasting a very gloomy scenery going on the American econony caused by, war overspending and huge tradedeficit to China, and an increasing DISbelief in the subprime-loan in a overestimated estate market etc.. (He sold he’s own property then ).
(Just to mention, I’ve tried to understand the American economy..)
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I understand the anger and disbelief in the system, you feel after this, although I do not quite understand why you left the jobmarket at your free will, when you, by that, renounced your right to benefit, (if I understand it right ) or maybe I don’t.?.
What I know about America, and LABOR/TRADE unions is, that there’s only about 10% engaged in membership thereof.
” I think something in me that can manage to survive with nature.”
Besides you are a wonderful person you are very strong person too Kathy. and I hope and believe that you ARE the soul of the American future.
In the hope that things will change faster than we all now, are able to imagine , I wish the best for you – if not rich in the sence of financial affairs, then rich in spiritual faculties and forces – as you indeed are.
I am wishing and praying for you , kathy, in the nearest future.
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“I understand the anger and disbelief in the system, you feel after this, although I do not quite understand why you left the jobmarket at your free will, when you, by that, renounced your right to benefit, (if I understand it right ) or maybe I don’t.?. ”
I don’t want to speak For Kathy, but I can explain, as I understand it why she left when she did. Kathy is a true heart. She believed everything they told her and went on a bit of a roller-coaster ride of emotions – wondering if she was coming or going. It is a strategy used by the company to try to get rid of the first layer of employees. Betting that some of them will just quit. It becomes a moral challenge to stay in that environment. The innocent ones who cannot believe that the company they gave so much to, cares that little and is unscrupulous, they leave – not wanting to be a part of something so ugly – with the hope they will get nother job. You know, the ‘ol tip your hat and go on your way… Only to find that there are no other jobs!!! Only to find that you were just the first layer of losers in a losing game. ANd if you could have just sucked it up and realized it was all out of your league and control and just stayed to get what you need out of the Beast. That is what it has come to. People of conscience are often the first victims in this every man/woman for him/herself society. You are right to be concerned for the very soul of this country.
Now that it has all happened, I believe Kathy has the best possible attitude. I want the best for you and your kids, Kathy, a better place ahead.
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“..renounced your right to benefit,”
Re: The Social Safety Net. A thing that used to exist in America. Most people who have been at their jobs for many years assume that while they were busy working, the safety net would always be there. What they didn’t understand was that the safety net was dismantled during that time. Thanks to both Democrat and Republican politicians. All that talk about welfare queens driving Cadillacs was a smokescreen for the dismantling of protections for all. You are on your own in America. You can live under a bridge or your mother’s basement- if you are one of the lucky ones. You will be asked to degrade yourself and hovel at the feet of Uncle Sam if you are to receive any governmental help. Even if you “qualify” for govt. help, there is a five year lifetime limit. After five years, you are truly on your own. Existential sh*t man.
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John and Grace, your posts are so sweet and kind hearted. Thank you both for being so caring of my story. But everyone has a life story huh? There is always going to be long suffering mixed with good times I think.
John for your questioning of the unions? There is no mortgage union. The trades such as steel workers, plummers, electricians, auto makers….they have unions. The world of financial products has no union that I am aware of. They have associations but not unions that act as a protection for the workers. They have national Realtor’s association or national mortgage brokers associations but those groups go to Washington and lobby for (whatever) and offer no union protection.
What I was seeing was a combination John. I saw things happening inside the mortgage industry that were very disturbing, and as I was studying the true nature of money here in the United States that I had never known about before, I saw that I was part of an industry that runs contrary to American freedom.
Please understand that in the mortgage world you can be a broker, a correspondent lender, or the lender on the retail side. It may sound complicated. But if I worked for Bank of America then I would be working for the retail side of lending and I am hired by that bank. If I work for a correspondent company then we will originate loans FOR Bank of America or in my old case Countrywide. But I don’t work for and I am not hired by Bank of America or Countrywide. I am hired by one of their correspondent lenders. Then a broker originates loans and submits to any of several companies to see if those companies want the loan. In my 12 years of the business I was fortunate to work for brokers, correspondents and retail lenders. I could see the differences in each way of mortgage lending. Brokers have the highest costs for the consumers. Don’t ever get your home loan from a broker! Middlemen have to have a mark up to make their commission/money. Brokers are middlemen.
When I left the business, having spotted several things wrong with the money system, I didn’t try to find work with another mortgage company because I saw the system as ‘broken’. Indeed many other companies had already gone out of business and the ones still open for business were going through the same extremes as RMC. (my old company) I had spotted a problem that I no longer wanted to be a part of. America’s problem is debt. Our entire monetary system is designed to keep us in debt individually and as a country. I was studying and realizing that every time I originated a home loan to help someone get into more debt..I was contributing to the problem. We Americans need to learn to live without debt but our system isn’t set up that way. 70% of our economy runs on consumerism. In the old America we were producers. Now 70% of our economy doesn’t produce anything…..we only consume. Does that sound healthy and balanced to anyone here?
People in America didn’t use to have to finance debt for 30 years to buy a home. But the federal reserve dollars have lost so much value that it takes many more dollars to buy a home now. My parents bought their first home for $4,000. To buy that same home today would cost about $40,000. (It was just a small house, no luxuries, and about an acre of land.) Did that little house sitting there with wood rotting over time, roof caving in over time, plumbing needing to be replaced over time, electrical works needing to be replaced over time, did it really gain 10 times the value over time or did our dollar devaluate over time so that now it takes $40,000 of them to buy that house instead of $4,000???
John, I left the business when I did because I saw what was going on through much of my own independent studying and I saw that I was part of the problem of a system that hurt fellow Americans. I realized that the ‘powers that be’ were not going to give us truth. I watched that unfold in the following months on my tv. We saw the TARP funds bailout and then the next stimulas package given to the bankers and wallstreet…
I am sending you a link to something I discovered recently. In America as in a lot of other nations, we were founded under ‘common law’ but our governments have changed that around and put us under the laws of commerce or the laws of contracts. Americans don’t know this. We now go to court under UCC codes and statutes instead of common law courts that our forefathers intended. The difference for us as human beings is huge because we were not informed that the courts system was changing. We in America still believe that we live under the protection of our Constitutional rights. We don’t. We live under the courts rule by the UCC codes they have imposed against us. Here is one link to a study. There are many more links to research.
http://educationcenter2000.com/Federal_Reserve.htm
I will write more in the next post…..kat
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Grace Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 2:09 am
Kathy, you are a true American patriot, hero.
You also brought up an important point about our courts and “justice” system. No longer what people think. Most of the services provided through the courts are run by private enterprise. Outsourced by the government. If you get a parking ticket on a City street, for example, you pay a private company out of Texas and they add exorbitant fees and it is all legal!!!!
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kathy Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Grace you are correct. It’s a shame. I spent the first half of this year protesting things under the feeling that my Constitutional rights were being violated. The second half of the year I started to learn why. Our court systems are no longer Constitutional courts based on common law. Our courts are under Universal commercial codes. UCC codes are the laws of contracts in a world of commerce. Whether you go to traffic court, civil court, criminal court, district, general sessions, supreme…..doesn’t matter. They are all ruled by the statutes of commerce. We people weren’t told when this change took place so we still think that if we go to court we have our rights!!! We have no rights except for commercial remedies. If we don’t know what these remedies are, we are screwed!!!!!!!
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John, I’m not familiar with Mike Whitney but it sounds like he’s a smart man with good predictions. Some people want to blame Obama for all that’s wrong right now. I can’t say that. Obama did inherit the dirty work left over from GWB and in this first year Obama has done wrong. GWB inherited from Clinton, the older GB and so on and so on. In fact, it seems that our presidents for decades have been baking a deadly cake and Obama is here to put the icing on top of it!!!
All of the greatest empires eventually fell. America has been building empire for decades. America will fall too. It will be hard for the people here because they don’t study anything. They don’t study history and they don’t study what current events mean. They are fed sound bytes on the news and if someone asks them a question they will only echo what they heard on the news…..never having a thought from their own brains.
Yes I am taking a path that is now anti-social. But don’t worry about me. I am choosing this. I need to be anti social because the laws of society are wrong and I no longer accept them.
When a nation thinks it’s okay to fund a war in Iraq and Afghanistan to keep killing innocent women and children….then the nation is wrong. When the funding of these illegal wars causes people in our own country to starve and become homeless then the nation is wrong and I need to stand aside from society. Standing aside from main stream society doesn’t bother me. I only hope there will be enough of us standing together to make a difference because I know that by myself I am not powerful enough to bring change. .
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Dear Grace and Kathy
“..renounced your right to benefit,”
If this sentence could the least be understood as a condemnation of your behavior, – as if your situation were selfinflicted. That hasn’t been my intention – at all. – I do not hope you are in any doubt hereof.
It was just because of what you wrote:
“you quit (Oct 4th.)” but “Perhaps I should have stayed”. – (because)
> When you quit your job you can’t draw unemployment checks! <
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If I had stayed, the company went out of business in February, then I could have drawn my unemployment
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No matter what has happend, I can easily understand the hell you have been through and qualms you've suffered in this circus of matador money before you quit. It has been a hard decision for you. As Grace rightly says "People of conscience are the first victims in a society where egoism are the prevailing capacity of qualifications."
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It seems to me that CAPITALISM in America has outlived it self, when Grace tells:
"You are on your own in America. You can live under a bridge or your mother’s basement- if you are one of the lucky ones. You will be asked to degrade yourself and hovel at the feet of Uncle Sam if you are to receive any governmental help. Even if you “qualify” for govt. help, there is a five year lifetime limit. After five years, you are truly on your own. Existential shit man."
Is this really what it has come to, in the land of free, ' the beacon of free world' ?
I am so sorry to hear such. Seems like time has turned the clock back to (or before) the stoneage in America.
No country in the world of today with the least degree of decency and respect for itself should allow a SINGLE of its citizens to flow around in the streets without assess to a place to sleep, food, drink and other necessaries.
Shame on you (neocon) America.
I love your concluding paragraph Kathy:
"When a nation thinks it’s okay to fund a war … and -Standing aside ..doesn’t bother me. [that is courage, Kathy]
I only can hope with you there will be enough of us standing together to make a difference, you really have the spirit needed to make a difference. and for me it is a talk that gives me hope just like seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. thanks so much you Kathy.
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now a little side leap to Denemarke:
those HAPPY DANISH PEOPLE:
The Iranian news-channel, PRESSTV, has got a news-studio i COPENHAGEN resently.!.From where they want to broadcast news to the Danish people. AND I can tell you by now,, WHAT AN OUTCRY from the old monopolistic zionist-propaganda influenced Danish media.
It will be hard times for this media, who are used to be the only and lonely solo voice for the Danish people?.
I fear though, unfortunately that in worst cases , when they hear the news, some WILL get blood clots, or get something down the wrong hole etc. UNTILL they've become familiar with a channel who tells the truth.
Please pray for the Danish (uninformed) people..there are hard times ahead.
Peace and love all
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Kathy
I forgot
You wrote:
“I’m not familiar with Mike Whitney but it sounds like he’s a smart man with good predictions.”
Articles by Mike Whitney’s, Paul Craig Robert and other great uthors can be found at ICH.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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Churches receive the money that governmental agancies used to receive. They are paid per head. The people are promised that God will give them everything they need. There is one sermon to receive a free bag of groceries and another sermon for the hot meal. You can stay in the shelter, but there are many restrictions on personal liberty which is why so many choose the streets.
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kathy Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Grace, I didn’t realize that the churches were receiving money that the governmental agencies used to receive. If I’m getting this correctly, the government is funding the churches? So much for the separation of church and state huh?
But the important thing is that some people are helped in a time of need. I see nothing wrong with helping others as long as the others don’t grow dependent on the church or the state.
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Grace Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 6:58 am
Well they closed down alot of the governmental aid offices and availability qualifications changed. There wasn’t much help available when I was an Independant Contractor and had to take a leave due to exposure to TB. No food stamps for one month because I had earned too much the monthe before. Govt Agency handed me a list of churches and volunteer kitchens I could get my food at for a whole month before they would give me a single person $130 US for food per month in 1996. WHen my husband had heart attack at age 33 and a list to personal and long to list here, had to live on our savings and we were with our son in ’03, it was the same situation, again. We would have gone hungry that November if it weren’t for the church. They were always trying to get us to go to more things,. They were expanding. They would take careful count of heads in line and for any service they offered. You could tell they it was making them a very prosperous church. The day we had enough money to buy groceries I never went back. I was grateful they were there, but it is no place to hang out.
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kathy Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Grace are you still in California? If so, how are the government services working? I keep reading (this whole year that California is bankrupt) Does that mean they don’t fix the pot holes in your highways? Or is there a city government that is responsible for your trash collection? Do they close down the offices of department of motor vehicles a few days per week? What happens when a state or municipality goes bankrupt? Have you seen any signs other than governmental offices for aid referring people to churches for assistance?
I know you mentioned 1996 and 2003 (bad enough) but what about now for all the people in California?
By the way, I understand you being grateful but not a place to hang out……I’m glad you were able to get the help you needed. I’m glad you didn’t become dependent on them. I think social services should be available to help when people go through hard times, but not to the extent that they cripple people for life.
Hello John and Grace.
John, I didn’t take your comments as an insult. When I quit my job I took a step that was out of step with the society at large. Most people would just hang in there but I didn’t. My employer paid a small amount to the government for my unemployment insurance but for me to draw the benefit of it, I would need to work until I had a “qualifying event” to take place. Qualifying events are something like the company closing down, or laying me off or even getting fired!!
I made the comment because according to society laws, if I had just stayed with the job, I could have reaped the benefit. But when I left the job, I wasn’t looking for any benefit except to find my own freedom from an industry that was going very very wrong.
This was a hard choice for me. For all those years that I was a loan officer, I counseled people that came to me who couldn’t get a loan. I saw myself as a helper. I could assist people to get their home loan or if they couldn’t get a loan NOW, I could counsel them on what they needed to do in order to get a loan within the next two years.
John, most people in America aren’t interested in the next two years. They are interested in “RIGHT NOW” and especially when you think about my clients. Most were active duty military about to be deployed to some foreign country for undeclared wars that would put them in harm’s way and leave their wives and kids abandoned while they were on their tour of duty.
But some of my clients really wanted help to understand their credit report and their credit score. For those people, I worked hard. I didn’t get paid at all to counsel people on their credit report but if they listened to me and did everything I said, they could get a home loan in the future and if they got that home loan through me, then I could get paid! (I worked strictly on commissions…no salary.)
As a brand new loan officer I wanted to help everybody!!!! I learned quickly that everyone can’t be helped. So I tried to place my energy into those people who seemed to sincerely want to make a difference in their own lives…then I would help them. There were always a tiny percentage of people who did what I told them to do, in return I did what I told them I would do to update their credit history, and they eventually bought homes!!! Those were tearful experiences for all of us. They would send me flowers and thank you cards and I would send them a gift certificate to go buy something for their new home at Linens and Things or Home Depot and a letter telling them how proud of them I was for working hard on their credit in order to realize their dream of home ownership.
The last good experience that I remember involved a young couple whose credit was good but they were very young in this military life. He had just finished his basic training and technical school and was then transferred to Ft Campbell Army base in my area. His military orders told him he had two months to sign in to his new duty station here and get ready to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan. I don’t remember which. His little thin, young, blonde haired, blue eyed wife (about 19 years old) had no friends or relatives in this area. Some of these young wives will go back home to their parents or close friends while their husbands are deployed. But she didn’t have anyone. Trying to obtain housing on the military base itself is sometimes difficult. In our area sometimes there is a one year waiting list ..or longer!! Rent is more expensive than buying (or unavailable) so these young kids get roped into buying. So a Realtor sold them a home. The Realtor brought them to me to get their loan approved. My emotions can’t rule. I have to work according to my guidelines. I can’t turn them down for a loan over age or circumstance. That would be discrimination. So he signed the initial real estate contract as the veteran on a home that was under construction and almost finished. When the date came to close the loan, he was deployed and she had the power of attorney to sign the closing documents for him.
I thought that was the end of the transaction for me. But after closing the loan, the Realtor called me and told me that the little girl had moved into the home and had called her as the Realtor for help because she didn’t know how to hang blinds over the windows!! The Realtor was stressed over this because she said she couldn’t go help the girl. She said if she tried to help and should happen to break a window then she would be liable to replace the window.
This is true in America. If you try to help and you inadvertantly do damage, you can be sued in a court of law.
But I didn’t care. I have a drill, hammer, screws, and a great experience of hanging many window blinds in all my years of moving. So I went over and helped the girl. I allowed her to watch and then I allowed her to do part of the job so that she would never again have to ask for help installing window blinds. I showed her the tools she would need as a single woman around her new home. She’s not single but she needs to fix things like a single woman while her husband is away for 12 to 15 months at a time!!!
No windows got broken, no law suits had to be filed. It was just one American helping another.
I didn’t have to volunteer for that job. But this young lady reminded me of my own daughter. Except that my daughter knows how to hang blinds!! But still, young, blonde haired blue eyed thin little thing..but she didn’t have a mother to turn to.
Why do I bring any of this up????
Because when I thought of myself as a helper I was okay. When I started to realize that my job was part of the problem….I was not okay. I walked away from an industry on my own terms. I didn’t walk away because I was smart, courageous, or patriotic. I did it because I am stubborn!!!! History will bear out whether I was right or wrong. History will not know my name but my children will.
I will say this that I believe with all my heart: Your greatest strength is also your greatest weakness. All has to balance. My greatest strength is being stubborn. It brought me through many hard times and helped me to not give up. But it has also brought me down at times where I should have given up. So how do I balance and where do I give up? That requires a spirit of discernment. I’m learning……………
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Grace Reply:
January 15th, 2010 at 1:53 am
Kathy, yes, i am still in California. it varies county by county and within the counties some spots are richer, some poor. From what I can tell, most is based on property values and property taxes. Is why the schools where the millionaires live do not go without a single item- and just across town they will be closing down schools. Now, everybody has to sacrifice. We haven’t even seen all the changes yet! This new deficit the governator announced is going to mean cuts everywhere. Of course, the cuts will not be even, as again they are based on property tax.
The poopr parts of town do not even have fire stations. They have private businesses that will put out the fire – for a fee. Pot holes in certain parts, but most roads access neighborhood businesses which also pay plenty of tax, so they upkeep those.
There is another situation here. One that has hopefully diminished while Obama is P-res. That is DWB- driving while black or brown. WHite people can do alot and get away with it. People of color have infinitely more interaction with Police. When I was a kid, the purpose of police was “To Protect and Serve>” They had that printed on their cars. Now, no such thing. Police are there to protect the rights of Property Owners. Property taxes pay for the police. There is not even a police station in the poor and many middle class neighborhoods. They keep “the peace” by getting rid of homeless peole and young people with no direction. It’s pretty hard-core. Not the place I grew up in. But they keep facades. Like, old people who have no idea how things have changed, still have rotary phone options. If you don’t push a button, a human will actually pick up and help you. Otherwise you are in the phone jungle. When the last person no longer has a rotary phone, they will stop that.
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Grace Reply:
January 15th, 2010 at 2:35 am
Garbage collection is private. You pay for pick-up service or you go to the dump and pay there. The libraries have paid big time. Lots of cutbacks in hours and services. Government offices including electrical service and DMV have to close down two friday’s per monthas part of the governor’s budget cuts. There are no government soup kitchens or grocery give-aways, They will give you money when you qualify and that is it. They will still hand you a list of churches and private non-profit groups that provide food for the hungry.. Unfortunately , every XMas we hear about how empty the food pantries are and beg people to donate. The *problem* is that, how well stocked these kitchens and pantries are, depend soley upon “the kindness of strangers,” which Is why they struggle and sit nearly empty and they give people LOTS of old brerad that the bakeries donate. Vegetables are rare.
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Grace Reply:
January 15th, 2010 at 3:32 am
It’s crazee when you all mention the prices of property where you all variously live. Our house was worth $400k and we lived across the blvd from the millionaires and they treated our location like we lived on the other side of the tracks. Even though our street had all the same qualities as theirs. Their houses started in the $600k range. I refused too enroll my son in the crappy school designated to our district which just happened to share with the poorest apartment dwellers in the area, primarily of color. Racist, yes? I played “the school Lotto” and told them I would home-school my son if he didn’t get into the school he had already spent two years at. We won the lotto! But not til after they mad us feel thoroughly like we were clearly outsiders. Our house was 2 miles from the school. They put up with him because he scores extremely high on their tests. SInce we moved i had to play the same game. I got him into the highest rated school in the state. He got 100% on his first test. He is happy and we are accepted actually here. The difference is the politics of th people. My peers all drove Mercedes SUV’s and I drove an immaculate 20 year old car with less miles than their cars. But these are mother’s who are extremely competetive and were compelled to be superior. I just found out that at theat wonderful, great scholl that I fought the good fight for employed a man who molested at least 15 young boys. He was my son’s Physical Education teacher. Many days my son used to beg me that he could stay home because he didn’t want to go to P.E. You see what I have to deal with now.
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JohnLJ Reply:
January 15th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
dear Grace
You are right, in your wonder of property prices.
We, me and my x-wife bought our first (new build) house 1971 to $40.000 then sold it (1975) to $80.000 !!!..in order to buy a bigger one (210 m2) to $115.000 which I sold in the year 2000 to the prices of $240.000.
All of this happend in the vicinity of the harbour and fishing port, Esbjerg, Jutland which is situated exactly in the opposite end of the kingdom’s capital, Copenhagen.
This – just for you to understand how the positioning of the property is all (out) decisive for the price.
But why have those (stupid) Danes situated / build their capital so far(est) possible away form the mainland, Jutland, ? – you may ask
[ok it's much the same in your homeland Washington, USA]
I think the answer should be found in the history, where ‘the kingdom included Norway and Sweden, (hundred of years ago (200 ? or so))
Property prices, as late as 2008, before ‘crisis’ set in – in the vicinity of the capital, Copenhagen prices for average sized houses were traded to about $600 – 1000.
I have not tried to, but if you have the money Grace, I am sure you could easily find a property to much more than that. (welcome in the club of the wealthy, then!)
I have converted amounts with 5 Kroner = $1 dollar
have a good time
Kathy, dear Kathy
My thoughts are with you everyday in these, for you, times of troubles, worried about how thinks will end up over there, (in the land of the free) – I hope not ‘turned into the street’(dictio) – now – that you have stopped payments.
I thank you for the unravelling of how the unemployment – assurance system works, in America. I understand much better now.
[In Denmark, it's the individual who, as member of a trade-union, pays, partly pays to a state-financed unimployment - security chest / treasury.]
I, myself fell out out this security system in the year 2000 BECAUSE I held some days of outstanding vacation (before the vacation year ran out) WITHOUT appropriate notifying to the ‘right’ authorities.
I think the story you told, how you treated the young clients, tells a lot of the greatness holding in you. It couldn’t ever have happend in Denmark. (or who really knows?). anyway – imagine you with a drill and hammer – to me, a very touching story.
I am really glad, that you let your inner ‘Okay’ feeling decide for you what to do , though not allways the easiest, then the indisputeably right decision, and if the word “stubborn” is loaded with the least degree of ‘negatives’, as I think it is, it’s not the right word to use. You are just a right-minded woman with (a hell of) principles.
Just a few words about, As you may remember, the LINK you left regarding UCC codes / Learn how to Eliminte debt:
After having struggled some hours with reading – [I have a unmanageable tendency to fall into sleep (drop off) when I try to read / understand something which utterly bores me] – the text “TO KNOW HOW TO DO! Debt Elimination” trying to understand e.g what FIAT money is – I may confess, it keeps on, for me, being pure gibberish text, though I understand very well that we all are being cheated in one or another way every day, and of course if you are in this banking buziness you have to keep up to the task.
Apropos Cheated!
In the late seventies my x-wife and I bought a coin-operated launderette. That was pure cheat. The washing-machines was 15 years older than said , the account/ annual “turnover” was hyped up / exaggerated etc. In this case, I got reimbused over the tax deduction system in accordance with the account from the books.
In short: What I want to say with this, is . You cannot put the blame on other for what you have done (of stupid) things yourself. under whatever name you have bought, be it “John A. Smith” or Adam, John, Smith etc. – you are/I are THE responsible.
If e.g. one buys a second-hand car. then one get ‘the thing’ to a reduced price. The thing (car) does not necessarily function according to the description from the manufacture, when second-hand. It is up to one’s own responsibility to assure that what we get ALSO is in fully agreement with what we are told / written in the contract. and likewise it should be, when we buy property etc, of course. with the help you need from professionals.
That some banksters can succeed in made money out of thin air is in most cases peoples own fault. People are generally, if not naive, then easy convinced to believe in, that what 99% of the people do, is the right thing (just like gregarious animals) . as you may know, It is unusual very few, (like us), who goes against the tide / the mainstream.
I hope to hear much more stories from you Kathy, in the future.
Love&peace all
PS:
Recently i heard, in the radio !
that
Obombr should be a “socialist” ‘!!! (in the drape of a neocon)
that was funny,,, hahahahahahahaha…
those witty witty Americans.
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Grace Reply:
January 17th, 2010 at 2:26 am
Dear John, You are like an Ambassador from one of the “happiest places on Earth.” I am honored at your invitation. I would certainly love to visit. Actually, apart from the bitter cold you endure, the lay of the land looks very similar to the place I love the most in Northern California. I feel very connected to this patch of land and I don’t know that I am meant to be anywhere else. Somebody has to stay and fight the good fight. Funny, the things I miss the most from the house I lived in were the big oak tree, the blue jays that shared their yard with me, the soil and all the other birds and squirrels. It was a boundless supply of connection and joy, for me. Thank you, you really cheered me up! I also wanted to tell you, I can relate with the migraines. I am sorry to hear you suffer thusly. Between migraines and appointments that “take it all out of me,” Sometimes it is why it takes me a while to respond in a timely way too. Love and peace. Grace
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Oh John, we have a saying here in the south….’bless your heart’….So bless your heart for trying to read that link about UCC codes. You find yourself falling asleep and I find that it gives me a head ache!!! haha
You make a good point about being responsible when buying anything. A used car is a used car. And it sounds like the coin laundromat that you bought was a bad deal where the other party wasn’t honorable. I’m glad you were able to find a remedy through the tax codes. Otherwise what remedy would there be but taking the other party to court?
I don’t know how the courts are in Denmark but here I can tell you that every time I’ve had to go I felt raped/violated!! John my ex husband used to file a claim against me about every year. Usually something to do with our 3 children whom I had custody of and he had visitation rights to see them. He never won a single claim because when we got to court the judge heard the story and the case was dismissed because my ex husband’s claims were unfounded.
But when he filed a claim, I was presented with a summons to appear in court to defend myself. If I didn’t respond within 30 days the judge would rule in favor of my ex husband. So back then, I never considered that I could go to court myself. I thought I had to hire a lawyer just as my ex had. The lawyer takes my case and we go to court. I have to pay the lawyer $1500 up front to take my case and then he bills additional money for each hour spent on my case. I counted that over the years it cost me $16,000 in lawyer fees, plus the money I could have made if I didn’t have to take days off of work to go meet with lawyers and go to court dates!! John I didn’t have vacation days or sick days to use when I had to take off work.
The worst part of my court dealings was not just the fact that I could have used that $16,000 to buy something more important that my three children might have needed, but that my children had to live in a state of such nervousness over the fact that their father was taking their mother back to court (again)…. I didn’t share the adult problems with my children but my ex did. I discussed these court battles with some of my co-workers and we all decided that my ex husband has something wrong with his reasoning skills, he had no logic, or he was crazy…….A few years later, he was diagnosed with a brain tumor. The doctors said it had been growing for a very long time. It wasn’t cancer but it was on his pituitary gland and they operated to remove only part of it. He’s still alive but on medication and though he tells our oldest son that his memory is affected by the tumor and medication, he still seems to hate me as much as he did in 1993 when I chose to divorce him.
Hey John, that’s one more story! I will tell a better one and a shorter one next time! Oh and thanks for sharing your laundromat story too!!!…Peace and love to all……
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John, my shorter story…it’s a happy one…
I won the first round against the attorney/lawyer for the bank trying to foreclose on my home.
I know the UCC codes give a head ache or puts you to sleep so I will say it this way:
My understanding is that all laws in the world today are laws under commerce. (UCC which stands for uniform commercial codes) They were adopted to allow countries to do business together. Can you imagine trying to put together a contract between China and America based on one countries laws and not the other? So I think of them also as Universal commercial codes. And UCC equals the law of contracts. Everything in law is a contract. But it can’t be called a real law because it’s only codes, statutes, policy. All of this falls under ‘the color of law’. We Americans don’t understand this because we still keep being taught that we have Constitutional rights. When we get carried to court we think we are under “common law”. Common law is simple….If I didn’t break your leg or pick your pocket then no crime has been committed against you. We Americans still think we are under common law or Constitutional law so we act accordingly. So John, since I NOW understand that I am operating under the law of contracts in courts of commerce (UCC) I have to change my whole understanding of reality.
There are 4 requirements to show a legally binding contract.
1. Full disclosure
2. Equal consideration
3. Lawful terms and conditions
4. Signatures of both parties/meeting of the minds.
I NOW also understand that if there is no controversy, there is no need for a court to decide. So I want to stay out of controversy and not go to court!!
So John, they hired an attorney to represent the bank. He sent me a ‘notice’ under the ‘codes’ that they planned to foreclose on my home January 13th. He told me to please make arrangements to move out by that date. He told me that to make good on my debt, I could forward him a check in the amount of $$$$$ xxxxxxxx. It was $24,000 and something dollars. He gave me thirty days to respond from the date I received his notice. I received his notice on the 8th of December so I sent the response back certified mail on the 5th of January.
I sent him a ‘notice’ in return since something I’ve read told me to never send them a simple letter. A letter doesn’t matter in our courts of law but a ‘notice’ does carry legal weight.
So I sent him a ‘legal and lawful notice’ to let him know I’m not in controversy and will be happy to pay any amount that I might lawfully owe if they will send me the proof:
Validation of the debt (the actual accounting/bookkeeping)
Verification of their claim against me ( a sworn afidavit or even just a signed invoice)
A copy of the contract binding both parties.
The reason I asked for these three things is that if they do show them to me, it will expose bank fraud. It will violate all 4 requirements of binding contracts. They can’t show these things to me. They have no contract, they have no claim against me. I gave them a 30 day notice to respond just like their attorney gave me.
I got a letter back from their attorney in 2 days. It said “My client (the bank) has instructed me to close your file. We will NOT be proceeding with foreclosure at this time. WOW!!!
John, I am still too ignorant of the ‘laws’ to know what my next move should be. I will keep up my research to see if it comes to me. But as of right now, I don’t know how to win round two if it comes up!!
WOW!!!! I’m afraid AND happy!!!
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It’s amazing this thread is still going considering it was written before Xmas. It contains many truths and is a tribute to what people who have the right perspective and goodwill can achieve!
Well done!
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WOW Kathy (1 – 0) to you –
Thanks for sharing your happy story Kathy ! – I am with you 100%
which gives you some more good days of breathing space.
- anyway for a civilized society, of what they like to call ‘ developed ‘ an outrageous, untenable and impossible conditions for people to make them self a good life.
so much Good luck to you Kathy
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David
There is so much unjust going on in the world of ‘capitalism’ which ‘we’ never hear of. – why ?- BECAUSE the victims have no MSM / corporate medias.
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You said, “head ache” Kathy to which I say, YES, this damn thing, with me, a migraine like condition also, is the main reasons why I’m not allways responding promptly, what I may commend you for. This damn headache has everything, to do with me using glasses (4++) for reading. This forces me in between to strip the glasses and simply find (out) something else to do.
You asked ‘remedy’. The case was taken to court. Carried by public (power to institute prosecution) attourney. It appeared that the seller was insolvent. there were two other victims at the same time proceeding against this laundromat seller swindler.
We got nothing good out from it, this legal proceedings. as you so rightly mentioned, you felt raped and violated, so did I, and I promised my self never more bring my self into a situation where a need for lawyer would happen.
I was ‘lectured’, by the proceeding judge (obviously a probizz stupid, disguised as another ridiculous king of the universe, drape), to stay out from business matters.
Or, perhaps he had something to have his words in, – that, it indeed looked a bit stupid in the light of wisdom after the event.
There was a written contract, but NOT approved by a lawyer [why not economize ? ] and without much details BECAUSE the whole thing / the laundromat could be returned to seller after a half year (of trial). That was the REASON WHY I did not scrutinize so deeply regarding to details, turnover, age of machineries etc.
Kathy, I am really sorry for all the aggravating money you have lost, for nothing, to meet / refute your litigious x-band. If the least it can comfort you, the amount do not quite reach what was my loss from the launderette case.
I am curious to see what the next step will bring in the (UCC) case of yours.
You refer to 4 requirements:
If you would elaborate on these, would be nice.
1. Full disclosure 1) disclosure [why is this needed to be said ? isn't it a matter of course ]-
2. Equal consideration [has it to do with (the amount of) payments ?]
3. Lawful(means LEGAL also?) terms and conditions
4. Signatures of both parties ( isn’t it just to signate the contract ?)
but “meeting of the minds.” what will that say ? Kathy?
Good point:
” I want to stay out of controversy and not go to court!!”
I wish you best of luck
e
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John, I’m sorry for your court losses too. Everyone should do their best to stay out of court.
okay, I will elaborate a little about the 4 requirements for contracts.
1 Full disclosure. It should be a matter of course as you say. And it seems we are given full disclosure by the banks when we apply for a loan. We give them full disclosure when we fill out their application. They want to know where we work, how long we’ve been on the job, how much money we make, what our credit history looks like and a whole bunch of other things. They look at our information and decide if we qualify for a loan or not. If we do qualify they give us some disclosures that tell us how much they are loaning us, what the interest rate will be, how much the monthly payment will be, and how much the money will cost us (in interest and principal) over a period of time such as 10 years or however long the loan is granted to us.
If your loan has to do with collateral, you will have to sign a security instrument called a promissory note or deed of trust. This piece of paper says that if you don’t pay as promised, the bank can take your collateral…(house or car or any other tangible goods that are used as collateral.) So it seems that everything has been disclosed properly up to this point.
2 Equal consideration by both parties… means that I bring something of value into this transaction and they bring something of equal value into the transaction also. When we start to understand this, we see how we were never given full disclosure by the bank.
The bank never had any money to loan but they said they did. What they didn’t disclose to me was that the security instrument (promissory note) that I signed is also a negotiable instrument. My signature on that note is what gave it value. Once they had my signature on that negotiable instrument, it’s as good as money in the bank for them. They open an account with that instrument and on their computer system of bookkeeping, they show it as in my case, a new asset of $22,300. Then, they supposedly loan me this money. They don’t give me a bag of cash. They place the credits into my bank account. I go away believing that they loaned me their money but the truth is, I am the one who created the money by my signature on their negotiable instrument.
So by now you can see two things wrong. They did not give me full disclosure that they were going to be creating money off of my signature. And…
Since they didn’t have any of their own money to loan me, they didn’t bring equal value or equal consideration to the transaction. By now you can spot the fraud.
3. Terms and conditions of this so called loan can no longer apply when they were created under fraud. The terms and conditions tell us how much the payments will be, what the interest rate will be, how many years you have to pay the loan back etc etc.
4 Signatures/meeting of the minds. That is easier when two human beings are negotiating together. Two people come to an agreement (meeting of the minds) put the entire agreement in writing and then both parties sign.
When a human being does business with the bank they are doing business with a corporation. A corporation is not a human being so it has no mind. A corporation can’t sign.
John I think I still need to study the difference between lawful and legal. Both seem to mean the same thing (Don’t break the law because that’s illegal.) But from what I’ve studied so far, there is a deeper meaning. At the founding of America, there was only common law. To break this law meant that you had to injure another person in some way. The injured party could take you to court but they had to prove that you injured them in some way AND that you did it on purpose! If found guilty, you would be an unlawful person and punished in some way accordingly.
Commom law isn’t used here anymore. Now we have the legal system. All the courts are corporations. All the cities are corporations, the police department in my city is a corporation, the state that I live in is a corporation, and the federal government is a corporation. What do corporations do? They try to make money for their shareholders. The courts are still called “courts of law” but they are really only there to generate money (collecting fines and fees)
Since we don’t have the common law, what is the legal system? We live under their corporate policies called codes and statutes. They call these things “the color of law”. (Whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.) They see us human beings as “corporate citizens” working for the corporations. Since they see us as employees of the corporations, we have to OBEY all the corportate policies called statutes and codes. This is the legal system that we must OBEY.
Here’s one example: There is a statute that says you have to wear a seat belt when you are going somewhere in your car. If you don’t wear your seat belt and a police officer sees you, he can pull you over and write you a ticket. (This brings in revenue for the corporate city) Early America had peace officers but now we have police officers. They are there to enforce the corporate policies! If I found myself in this situation, I would be doing something illegal according to the color of law in their legal system. But would it be unlawful? No! Because I had not injured anyone. So John I hope this example makes sense about the differences between lawful and legal. I have much more to learn about it myself! ..peace and love.
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John, here’s a short youtube video that you might find interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqi1N_RrUs#lq-lq2-hq-vhq
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Friends, I wish I’d been more involved with this thread. There is much to be learned from the comments and there is much to admire in the supportive dimension that is demonstrated in the comments.
Helping each other is an important part of saving the world.
Peace and Love!
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David you make me cry!! You are the most involved person on any blog I’ve ever been on. Most people seem to write and wait for comments to come in (just to read the comments). YOU actually take an active role in the comments section!! I love that!!!
I’ve had probably too many long comments on this thread. The subjects flow in and out of the original thread’s meaning. It’s strange really. I sometimes post something that is a bit personal and not on point. Usually these are things that I’ve read about and am now trying to correlate with my real life and share what I’ve learned with others that aren’t opposed to reading or watching a video. Here where I live, no one wants to read or watch a video so I try it out on your blog. (One selfish last chance for me to try it I guess)
I love hearing what John in Denmark is going through.
I love hearing how California is doing practically across our whole nation since I’m in Tennessee.
I love hearing from Kate up north from me.
I love hearing from Adina somewhere in Europe I think? Everyone else too!! (I don’t know where everyone else is from.) But I love people and their stories. I’ll go a little more personal here and then I will try to ease up. I took my children on vacation when they were teenagers and they fussed at me for talking to strangers!!! The first 5 days of vacation were spent at Myrtle Beach South Carolina. The final two days, I wanted to drive down to Charleston SC. I had heard about the rich history, civil war battleground, the horse drawn carriage ride tours of the city, the open air markets…..So I did talk to strangers…to see if they could direct me to where I wanted to go in my short time span there. I decided after that to never travel with my children again!! I could do it now that they aren’t teenagers…especially since my daughter and I want to see some of the same parts of the world….
But I must go long here one last time…In 1995 I remarried….this was husband number 2 and the final husband. He took a job in Saudi Arabia. It took 5 months for him to get family approval for me and my children to come and join him in Saudi. The first 2 months we lived on a compound in Dhahran. (Spelling I would have to go check) All the residents of the compound worked for AT&T or known there as Lucent technologies. The workers were hired to rebuild the phone system into a fiber optics system because their phone towers made easy targets for the Saddam regime when Saddam invaded Kuwait and posed a “threat” to Saudi Arabia. So my second husband was a telecommunications engineer and he designed fiber optics cable routes around the various cities in Saudi. (Buried cable as opposed to towers)
After two months we moved to Riyadh. The main AT&T compound was full so we moved onto the Dutch compound. (AT&T had hired many Dutch people as well as UK and Americans) So we found ourselves living in the arm pit of the world (Saudi Arabia) on a Dutch compound (Most uninhibited people in the world- I think) And the even more weird part of that was that my husband, even tho working for AT&T by day, had a degree in music education and he was a classically trained violinist. So there was a band put together in Riyadh and he was in it. There were no other competing bands so any embassy party or event….they booked our band for the entertainment. Husband could play any instrument, any fashion. They didn’t book the band to be classical music,,,, they booked the band to be rock and roll.. So Americans…living in the arm pit of the world…with Dutch people…playing in a rock and roll band for the various embassy’s parties???? How weird does that make my life? I was there for 7 months, Oct of 1995 thru May of 1996. On the news we hear about the women of Afghanistan and Iraq having to cover up with their Burkas. In Saudi Arabia they were called Abayas. I still have my abaya. I pull it out from time to time to remind myself of how much ‘woman freedom’ I have here in the states compared to the women in Saudi.
But David one of the most fun times I had… was when the Australians booked our band for Australian day out in the desert. They picked a spot, gave us directions, and we showed up! They had so many vans set up to sell us stuff. Pepsi vans for drinks since Coke wasn’t available there. Fosters beer was flown in. I bought a two up game and a jack-a-roo hat!! They passed out leaflets so that the band could play and we could sing along to Waltzing Mathilda and Tie me kangaroo down. It was such fun!!
The guy who was in charge of the Australian embassy then wanted us to come and play for his wedding anniversary. The party was at his villa….not the embassy. Again, we made friends and had a wonderful time. Met a guy there named Peter DeChillas (Australian) who was in charge of the zoo at Riyadh. He told us to come to the zoo on friday while the Saudis were in their holy day and he would open it for us to have the zoo to ourselves. Riyadh has an awesome zoo! We had fun in Saudi with all of our Aussie friends. I wouldn’t change that part for anything!!!
Another weird thing about Saudi…Water table. If they get a little rain everything is flooded instantly. Or at least it was in 1995 – 1996. They had no drainage ditches so the roads would flood. They used to be under the ocean. We went one day to one part of the desert to dig for prehistoric sharks teeth. I found my place in life there!!! We had packed sandwiches and drinks for the whole day. The kids got tired early but I couldn’t go home yet….had to find one more….
David, I go personal here to let you know that the Aussies rock!!! I’m so glad I got to hang out with some of your country men and women!!
I also want to state that this is a dark part of the world….not just for women but for a country with no middle class. There are extremely wealthy and extremely poor. The poor are kept in line by the prayer towers that shout out prayers over loud speakers at different times of day. The wealthy are like us. They show up at the party, the abaya comes off, no one stops the party for prayer time!!!! This is a sample of the indoctrination you speak of.
I am fortunate to have seen this with my own eyes for 7 months of my life. I am fortunate to have met my Aussie friends and my Dutch friends. I am fortunate to realize how many freedoms we still have as women here in America compared to other countries. I am fortunate to see how the rich and powerful use the poor and uneducated. I am fortunate to see how the religion and politics keeps everyone in line.
Because I am a selfish American woman who has just recently found your blog, I will say that you have to stay healthy because I’m not finished talking with you yet!!! Yes and isn’t that selfish?
But truly, I need a voice like yours to see truth and I think I need you for at least two or three more decades!! So get your health back. Okay???? It’s all about my selfish American needs….
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Grace Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 3:08 am
Kathy, you make some very good points with your stories. As David pointed out about how traveling changes us. I still haven’t been to Europe because when I had the chance to travel, I wanted ot go somewhere Really Different. We went to Thailand, Nepal, India, Sri Lanka, and Egypt. I loved the calls to prayer in Egypt. Impressed me that Muslims don’t have to go through a priest, or intermediary to get to “God” They have the right to go before “God”themselves. Seemed empowering and made them seem more like adults and Americans more like children. That is a generalization – however that was my true impression. I lived on a mountain in Nepal with Himalayan ice water coming out of the faucets – for bathing! It was a kundalini experience pouring that ice water down my spine. Made me stand straighter than ever! The kitchen was a room with no windows and a dirt floor. I loved that place and living like that I knew I could live pretty much anywhere, happily. Traveling taught me as much about where I am from as it did teach me about other people. I highly recommend that all people travel like that. Off the tour bus route. Just go stay somewhere for at least two months and you will see much more than walking through to buy trinkets. Go live with the locals and you might realize, as I did, that life everywhere is a variation on a theme. We are all the same wherever you go.
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kathy Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Grace, your traveling experiences sound wonderful. I can see why the ice water would stand you straight up!! Hopefully I will be able to travel some day. I do envy yours and David’s experiences.
Yes we should all get off the beaten path in other countries and stay for a while to get to know the way they live. We would all be better humans for it!
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Kathy, underlying your interesting comment is the fact that people must travel. It should be mandatory that everyone travels and works outside their own country for at least five years. That way, most would find that everyone in the world is basically the same, that we all have the same hopes and dreams regardless of our station in life. Such travelling would end the prevailing ignorance about the world which afflicts America.
I have been to Iraq, Iran, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, all of Europe, America, Canada, Russia, Africa, Malaysia, Thailand, Panama, Fiji, Noumea, so many countries I’ve lost count. While I’ve travelled, I’ve thought about what I’ve seen, the history, the cycle of life.
The most generous people are often the poorest. The most boring, mindless people are those who have loud voices which compare hotels and the standard of service. They travel but they see nothing!
Regarding my health I’m nearly one third the way through the treatment and doing all right despite an increasing tiredness. I too have a lot to do, and a lot more to say.
I plan on sticking around even if only for you!
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JohnLJ Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 4:47 am
Dear Grace
Thanks Grace for the distinguished title you offered me, how honoured I am. . and it makes me think / smile -wow if I were an ambassador – what a place / masion (of a) house i probably would have lived in if that were the case but, sorry, it isn’t.
It seems (weird), to me, that Denmark still is known for being the “happiest places on Earth.” eventhough, I shall not complain, is a society split /cleaved after the 9/11 GWB [either you are with OR you are against] -you canNOT be both!!.
Most of my lifetime in Danmark we have had a socialistic middle minded way of politic and even in between a ‘red’ one (commie) that I (as a ‘capitalist’ with a purse bulging of money ) had to critizise it. One can say, we didn’t quite know how ‘happy’ things were then.
Isn’t it funny how people often, first – afterwards, finds out how happy they were, years ago ?
Since, in the year 2001 Denmark got a bourgeois i.e. a rightwing goverment with the belligerent Anders Fog Rasmussen as primeminister, who throwed Denmark into the illegal war, as a coalition partner to GWB / Tony Blair’s Iraq-war. and as such I do not want to represent Denmark as an ambassador for country perpetrating war crime – and if as that wasn’t enough still we are bogged down in a futile war of nonsense in Afghanistan as a member of NATO.
APROPOS NATO –
who, warcriminal do you think is heading NATO as it’s General-secretary for that entity ?
Grace ?
Yes – IT IS – the war criminal Anders Fog Rasmussen!!!.
no it is indeed a shame to be a Dane now a day. – and I apology to all muslims – herewith.
So as you se Grace, once upon a time there was, but not anymore, much to be proud of, as Dane.
We have to walk very softly ‘with the doors’! when we travel, or better tell that you are a Norwegian or whatever nationality you can ‘escape’ with.
It appears form the comment yours that you are a very loving and caring person with a great heart Grace, the world needs more of you. I love all what you write ( if I am able though to understand it) e.g.
[Between migraines and appointments that “take it all out of me,” ] appointment”s” = fixed / fixtures ?
What (se hell) do you means (between ‘headache and a built-in cupboard ?
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Migraine.
I am sorry you have to suffer from this nasty type of heavy headache Grace. It isn’t indeed very funny when its on and I’m happy being able to cheer you up a bit in between these dark thoughts are over you. Thus – my life hasn’t either been completely forfeited.
“I am honored at your invitation”
When should I / do I have to roll the RED carpet out mrs. Grace? Do you come with the AirForceOne?
Of course you are welcome to visit, and I’m glad to have my friends / nobilities on visit as often as possible. but if you appear at this time of the year (for more than one day) you’d/ we probable have to sleep in the same bed, or at least in the same room. as I told you, this house isn’t a mansion to say the least – I’ll detail it a bit.
When I bought it in 2002 it had been left ‘alone’ by the tenant for a couple of years to frost damage in the winter time with frozen waterpipes which had bursted and the water had fossed out over the whole house.
Everything of isolation materials on ceiling, floors and walls had been destroyed.
and that is also the reason why it could be bought to a cheap price.
Now – afterwards, I have removed all this water-soaked / destroyed materials and haven’t yet finished a restauration. For now I have only about 40m2 to live in, better than nothing though, and at least the whole thing is payed – no debt and if not very fine – though mine – it all.
I have a outhouse (250m2), and, by the way also an old camper trailer. so – maybe Grace, if you aren’t too choos(e)y we will easy find a place. but under all circumstances, wait until summertime. ok
excuse , it took so long.
I have two daughters, 33 & 32 year old. Yesterday we celebrated my grandchild, a boy, number three in the row of, ONE YEAR BIRTHDAY. hurra(h) big boy. life goes on.
peace and love
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kathy Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 am
Awwww! Thanks David.
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John, my goodness, Happy Birthday to the big boy! How wonderful life can be. Gee and to have two daughters, to be involved with them and the children, is the best. At the end of the day, those we love, make the world richer. Your English has improved greatly! Also that is great to live without debt. No person is truly free til they can experience that. I have lived simply and appreciate your honesty. For sure if I ever did visit, I think I would come in the summertime. Not to be a wuss, but I live in a mediterranean climate and I am still a bit of a hothouse flower. I don’t travel so well these days either. But, these “appointments” I speak of are with doctors that I believe are going to help me. I feel very hopeful for my own healing and that of our little family. The plan was to travel with my own big boy when he gets to be 9 or ten. He will be 8 in April. He is very bright. I am also NOT looking forward to flying these days!! Gee, I am used to almost no privacy as it is, but those xrays are just over the top of acceptable for me. I suppose it is better than a gloved examination…
That is very interesting, your description of your nation of Denmark. The split you describe exists here as well. There is still one group that still thinks as GWB did -and then the rest of us who just want peace and justice and to stop the Imperial ambitions and devlop our own potential and talents. The Southern and Northern California of my childhood was a friendly, open place. There are still areas like this still, but the overall environment of the politics we live in affects everything! So right you are – in hindsight to realize how great things were. I see it almost as a “Utopian Blip” I call it. It was a moment in time when everything was possible and there was collective wakening to being fair to everyone. The earth was not as polluted and there seemed to be time for everything. Oddly enough now, at the time, it seemed a glimpse into our collective and personal future. Would be great if it were. Thanks, must go now. Nice day : ).
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Michelle Obama is 46 today, she is finally my age. It is not something I Ever talk about because my husband is younger than me. Time and age are subjects for another time : )
I would wish the First Lady a Happy Birthday!
also for another time.. her silent involvement in the health care debate. : (
(Sorry, it’s been on my mind)
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