Pacifist or Villian?
Friends, you would be familiar with this face. It is that of Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a psychiatrist and a member of the U.S. Armed Forces located at Fort Hood in Texas.
His job, even though he was a Muslim, was to counsel psychologically damaged American troops returning from active duty in Iraq and Afghanistan and prepare them to serve even more terms.
A couple of weeks ago he went to a building at the base and, without warning, used two handguns to kill 13 people who were either preparing others or were being prepared to be returned to the war zones.
Now, looking at the photograph, the Major does not really look like a serial killer. He has a rather kind face in fact, one that would befit a psychiatrist who has to listen to the pain of soldiers who have killed, whether directly or indirectly, all manner of Iraqi and Afghani Muslims (which obviously include men, women and children). He must’ve carried a heavy weight on his shoulders.
Unfortunately, bombs, missiles and shells don’t discriminate and they will blow to pieces anyone or anything they encounter whether a fierce terrorist or a child eating breakfast, etc. You may recall that scores of people including children were killed in Afghanistan a year or so ago when a wedding party was accidentally bombed. That was just one incident.
Now the reason why Major Hasan killed his fellow soldiers is unclear although the American military is pulling out all stops to turn him into a terrorist, a Jehadist, a pawn of the Taliban or Al Queda. This would suit their propaganda mission which is to demonize anyone who doesn’t support the Great, Greedy American Dream, one which is heavily believed in by many Christians and Jews. Muslims are not so enamored with the America Dream because they are often the ones being killed by American Forces on dubious pretexts.
However, consider this: by killing some of his fellow soldiers, Major Hasan did stop those who were returning to the war zones from killing anymore innocent civilians AND suffering further from the destructive psychological pressures that killing brings.
Just how many deaths he stopped is unknown because the America Armed Forces don’t count civilian deaths preferring to describe them as ‘collateral damage.’ The numbers that the returning soldiers might have killed during a tour of duty might have been in the hundreds.
The bottom line is that the deaths of the 13 though regrettable might have stopped the deaths of hundreds of innocent people who potentially could have been caught up in the mindless violence of the American War Machine in the Middle East.
As America goes around the world killing those who don’t fit in with its ‘mission’ to control the world and its resources, there are many casualties. Major Hasan is one. The 13 unfortunates he killed are some others. The millions that America has killed in a constant succession of wars since WW2 are legion.
How many people will America kill before its warmongering insanity and imperialism is stopped? How many Americans who serve in the Armed Forces will be permanently damaged psychologically or maimed physically? Should Hasan be seen in part as a pacifist because he saved so many Muslims from being killed?
These are interesting questions.
P.S. Latest news is that Hasan may be a paraplegic for the rest of his life as a result of being shot four times.
I honestly do not think Major Hasan a villain. The amount of “hate” blogs I have seen over these last few days, is so disturbing, I can only imagine what kind of atmosphere any Muslim must endure in the United States Military. Regardless, if it was their choice, because again this is the second argument I hear. Who’s country is this? Who’s world is this? Why do WE as a people have the right, to go into other nations, particularly, fighting a war on “terrorism” which has no real suspects that we are trying to gather or are we? What in God’s, Allah, Buddha, or Glenda the good witch of the North are we doing? I want to know where the hell is Bin Laden? Isn’t that what got this whole thing started, or……is it? Remember, he isn’t under there, he is over there? I mean, come on US citizens, how complacent can we ALL be in one massive movement. And someone PLEASE tell me what in the HELL did Iraq have to do with any of this. I still remember Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld. We were friends with him for years, cia funded him to keep Iran at bay. I guess dancing with the stars and buying your wal-mart goodies was a bit more important. Now millions are dead. Welcome U.N.
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There are so many victims in this war. The ones in Iraq and Afganistan are, of course, the ones who have suffered the most.
But the soldiers that were shot at Fort Hood where also victims, but in a different way, they were first victims of the massive propaganda system here in the US that put the military and what it does on a pedestal making it seem almost holy, it’s soldiers, no matter what terrible crimes they commit to “others” always heroes.
One of the shooting victims was a local young women who joined the reserves after 9/11 and was determined to get Bin Laden.
Government/media propaganda had clearly dominated her thinking and left no room for rational thought or a ability to question what she was being told.
She was from all accounts a very nice young women who had been blinded to the truth and because of that died much too soon. But she was also a part of a huge war machine who was helping to get PTSD soldiers back in shape so they could return to war and commit more crimes against the innocent.
She, like the others, was both victim and villain.
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I’m so sorry on behalf of this man and, for that matter, all muslims
Stupid wars urge people to do stupid things
I’m not much in doubt what turned Hasan into a serie killer. He wasn’t a villain but the war itself – (although he, in advance, like the rest of the mercenary army, had sold their souls for poor mammon) – was what morphed him , into a mad man in a belligerent world of blamegaming.
I don’t wonder – at all, and do NOT put the blame on Hasan. He’s just another victim of ‘collateral damage’ by the war of stupid – fought only for money/oil.
,(of which especially thoughtful persons (IQ 100+?) having hard times to cope with risks ending up in blind alleys.)
when Kelly write:
“I can only imagine what kind of atmosphere any Muslim must endure in the United States Military”
your’re so right – and after this it might be nearly impossible – to serve as a muslim in the us army.
“someone PLEASE tell me what in the HELL did Iraq have to do with any of this.?”
I’ll do my best to – if I can relieve your confusion, Kelly
Beyond what we know : That Saddam had no WMD and had nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden.
there was the GWBush claim “Saddam Hussein is/was a brutal dictator, – he killed his own people”
It’s just another, in a line ups of, claims for which there’s no evidence.
look for yourself at: DID SADDAM “GAS HIS OWN PEOPLE”?
link:
http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/siteinfo/newsround/iraq2.html
and
“Saddam Hussein HAS KILLED HIS SON(S IN LAW”
Concerning the smear campaign about he’s killed his son in law I don’t know more than can be found on the internet, (which were NOT invented neither intended to propaganda the course of Saddam H.’s.)
With this kind of sound bites ” Saddam has killed his son(s in law” – say’s it all – this man may be a bit more than average crazy, or something beyond.
but also here there is more to the story behind: ( never told by the superficially media)
“It wasn’t Saddam who did that either.”
read more at:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SADDAM‘S+SONS-IN-LAW+SLAIN+BY+CLAN+MEMBERS+IN+GUNBATTLE.(NEWS)-a083919886
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It works if you copy the hole link and paste into your browser:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SADDAM‘S+SONS-IN-LAW+SLAIN+BY+CLAN+MEMBERS+IN+GUNBATTLE.(NEWS)-a083919886
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Ok – now – NO problems
why ??
I don’t know..
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A BIG part of the reason so many US troops are in the Middle East fighting the “Global War on Terror” and the “Muslim threat” is because of the huge number of decision making Jewish/Zionists within the administration …
So it’s surely interesting to note that there are far more Muslims in the US Armed Forces than Jews….
Surprise surprise eh! They get somebody else do all their dirty work for them …
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Kelly, thanks for visiting and leaving such a thoughtful, perceptive comment.
Jeannie, your mention of the effect of the massive, pro-war Government propaganda campaign on the American people is revealing. America has always dressed up its imperialism in flags and claims that it is bringing freedom. The truth is it brings destruction, death and occupation.
John, America uses all manner of pretexts to start wars. If none exist, it just makes them up. It is a sick, greedy country, one that cannot see that it loves violence, loves killing, loves destruction, loves cruelty (torture), loves domination.
Charles, Jewish manipulation of America is widespread and potent. It is a dangerous combination. America will start a war at the drop of a hat and the Jews provide them with targets.
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I cannot agree with this man being turned into a hero.
Why did he enroll in the army in the first place?
Army’s job is war and killing.
I know you ll all jump and say he enrolled to “DEFEND” his country in case needed.
But history was there to show people his age and with a bit of brain, to know and understand what kind of “Defense” he was supposed to engage into during his professional life.
But I guess, as long as he was sent in .. i don t know, Japan.. it would have been OK.
Not fighting fellow worshippers would have been oK.
For someone who chooses army as a job, killing is part of it.
The arithmetic of “he killed few and prevented more killings” is far too stretched for my logic. We are so easy to label a villain, and then label its opponent a hero.
That is not what we should do.
He is not a hero.
He is a killer.
Killing is killing.
Contorting our logic and finding excuses to sanctify a guy just because he is on the opposite side of the ideology we do not agree with is exactly what is going on in America every day! What are we doing? The same?
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killer or hero ?
Isn’t it the conqueror, (whom ultimately will write the history) alone, to decide who are either, the one or the other, Adina?
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Dear Adina, please note that I used a question as the title of this post. I thought it interesting that Major Hasan is a uniformed murderer but some of those he killed were in uniform as well and were going back to Afghanistan and Iraq to murder citizens of those countries.
I agree with you that killing is killing and I condemn it completely!
John, you have made a valid point. The U.S. War Machine has turned killing into an artform.
It has convinced many people that if someone is in a uniform, they can kill whoever they like, no questions asked.
The U.S. War Machine is a force for evil and greed. It must be condemned!
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Ha ha ha,
John, right on! Right On. Unfortunately you are so so so so right. Thank you for the short but amazing comment, revelation like to me.. it was like , duh! how come i forgot this? This is so true, doesn’t matter what right or wrong is, doesn’t matter what we think.. as you say… that is so true…
I’ve read those “modified” history books.. and unfortunately our kids will be brainwashed into believing war is OK. and who s the “hero”.. by these history books, by the video games, by the movies, by the Tv, by the clothes industry , music industry etc….(see… camouflage is fashion)
Dear David, lives of people get crushed in this machinery. It is a cold blooded games. and sometimes.. it is not even as easy as a two options answer. A hero would be someone who would oppose consciously something wrong by the right and intelligent means, with a definitely positive result. hassan’s act is a futile exercise of violence with no positive outcome. Escalating a wall of preexisting hate between two clearly defined fractions.. Need I say which are they? A villain is someone who.. we know what a villain is.
Does he qualify for either?
But what if there are third, four options or even more?
What about simply, a Tool?
Too far fetched?
Science fiction?
That is why I say.. using the yes/no option provided so easily for us is rooted in the historical ability of the powers who are to brainwashes masses into thinking that only that is what can only be:left/right, they/us, this/that.
That is why I challenged us not to perpetrate the same labeling.
Cause there are many shades of grey between white and black.
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Adina
as you may (or not) know, I’m not a native English speaking – and therefore I want to stick to ‘short’ statements.
- also to minimize possibility for misunderstandings, in worst case, to offend.
but I’m glad you agree to my ‘solution’ although you thought/consider it a bit teethless – and seems to consider it ‘ha ha ha’. !
Don’t get me wrong, Im strongly against killing of every form in a world considered ‘normal’.
Unfortunately (especially since 9/11) isn’t ‘normal’. Killings happens, every day in illegal wars, Iraq (1,3mill), Afghanistan and Palestine, 4 mill. on the run of which 99.9% is muslims. This is the background on which a judge the ‘Hasan’ incident .
It is, thanks to GWB the world is divided between ‘us’ and the ‘them’ ‘ /BLACK and WHITE – a world without grey shades.etc. (if you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists).
Finally
the word ‘HERO’ is only applicable to a world of cartoons and fictions
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Was Hasan a patsy — Webster Tarplay argues how that could be, found at the link to info-wars.
Was Hasan deadly afraid to be deployed to Afghanistan –understandable because once the Jewish State nukes Iran, USA soldiers in Afghanistan would be overrun.
Was Hasan vengeful — also possible because of his Palestinian roots, which people had just been thoroughly demonized by the Congress of the USA derision of the Goldstone Report.
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Adina, I take your point and it was well made. I used a simple black and white example (villian or hero) to force people to look at the complexities which, in Hasan’s case, are infinite.
John, I loved your concluding sentence. Of course, America is full of ‘heroes.’
Therese, the actions of Congress re the Goldstone Report have alarming implications. Is America following Israel or is Israel imitating America?
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Therese Reply:
November 26th, 2009 at 9:12 am
My aswer: The USA is both the New Jerusalem, and the New Babylon. How did you like your fav on American Idol, Adam Lambert, a proud Jew, freak show on the tv award show Sun. Yes, judaism is a philosophy, not a religion.
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I have read people doubting that Hasan killed anyone.
We have a history in this country of false flag killings, like 9-11.
We also have a history of “lone-nut” assassinations. Or, so we’re told. But researchers usually find out that things aren’t that simple.
The question is how a man armed with two handguns, which would require reloading to fire so many bullets, managed to go into a room of trained soldiers and kill so many without any of them stopping him. Especially when he stopped to reload.
Something is fishy in this story. A militant Muslim, watched by the FBI, manages to kill a bunch of people on a frigging military base? As the country is starting to get aggravated with spending so much money to kill Muslims when people are losing jobs and houses and turn against the occupations as too expensive?
How convenient!
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David G Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Wagelaborer, I watched the whole thing unfold on T.V. and was struck by the fact that there was no footage and Hasan was dead one minute and alive the next and they didn’t know how many shooters there were, etc.
It was almost as though they were writing the script as they went along. I believe nothing that the American military says. They are masters of deception!
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Dear Johnlj,
and my wrong spelling can attest for that. But I can t keep my sentences short 
and that is one of my major flaws 
I am not an english mother tongue speaker either.
We of course do not know eachother so I need to explain.
Ha Ha Ha was a genuine laughter full of appreciation. The kind of “belly laughter” that Buddha is famous for
ha ha ha… a laughter at my own stupidity and a laughter triggered by a great idea (yours) which moved my intellect like a beneficial tickling.
When I think something is lacking substance or teethless as you say, I usually mock in bitterness. Laughter is a sign I really like a person’s thought.
Just so I m clear.
David, needless to say: you always incite interesting discussions, and you successfully achieve at all times the purpose of exposing to us the infinite alternatives. Else we wouldn t be here
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i’ M sure that the reasons why he did whatever he did can be tracked to his unbalanced state of mind…I worked 40 yrs fulltime as an RN in mostly Trauma and Intensive Cares and Paremedic…I can’t explain how you are driven mad but it happens and we all of can blow under continuing stress…your perceptions of the world can be dominated by FEAR and your ability to use rational cognitive skills seriously disrupted,,,take judgement out of the equation of Hasan..Kate
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David G Reply:
November 26th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Kate, that fear can bring about mental derangement is a worry. Most humans live in a state of fear given the perilous state of our world and each night, on television, that fear is compounded.
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