“As a senior member of the G20, could I suggest we push billions
of dollar bills into the holes in the hull and try to refloat
the good ship RAMPANT CAPITALISM!
We from rich countries can’t afford
to lose her, can we?”
DANGEROUS CREATION — for thinkers.
"Argue not with fools, frauds, fops, and fanatics. Seek instead better companions." —– "Show me a millionaire and I will show you a man who has never thought about the meaning of his life."
David, you’re teetering on the edge! A self-described buhlemic polemic, I think I know one when I see one. I too, can only take so much BS and then I have to get rid of it in a rant. I grew up poor in America, never realizing, from a worldly perspective, how so not poor that was. That’s why I to this day have a chip on my shoulder concerning most rich folks. Besides the many obvious reasons, hunger, poverty, slavery, injustice, inequality, what in particular, or personally, motivates you to keep fighting such an uphill battle? If you decline to respond I will certainly respect your privacy.
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David G Reply:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:25 am
The world is teetering on the edge, VR2, not me!
What motivates me is pure hatred of the corrupt, putrid, elitist political and economic systems which rule our world.
I hate greed and what it does to people and nations. I hate inequality and injustice. I hate the fact that a few people have so much while the bulk of people starve. I loathe the idea of classes – we are all humans. Racial superiority and religious fraud leave me cold as do nations who seek military solutions or domination.
The thing that gets at me most of all is the fact that nothing has changed during the last ten thousand years, only the technology. We are not evolving. We are stuck in a time warp, one that better suits a group of mindless, rapacious savages.
I believe that we are capable of better. But first we must undo the indoctrination and the vile social programming so we can begin to think.
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David, I think you may be too late. The extra weight from all of the money already stuffed into the hull of this sinking ship may be too much. I hope you can breathe under water.
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David G Reply:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Robert, if the ship of capitalism sank the world could swim free of it, perhaps move in a new direction, a better one, a fairer one.
Greed diminishes all of us!
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Thank you kind sir. You answered my question and then some. Sadly, I must agree that nothing has changed. What to do? What to do? Posing an unanswerable question, twice even. What a dilemma.
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David G Reply:
March 15th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Become neo-humans, VR2. There are quite a few who contribute to this blog.
We just have to convince others to sweep away the indoctrination that imprisons their minds as effectively as a lobotomy, the faulty programming.
We have it within us, the capacity to change things.
P.S. In the Sidebar are some details.
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Convincing others! My Achilles Heel! I find strength in Edmund Burke. He wrote, “never despair, but if you do, work on in despair!” Also, “no one makes a greater mistake than he who does nothing, because he could do only a little!” Good stuff.
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Yep, the good ship lollipop it ain’t ; (
This past week Jon Stewart here went head to head with another commentator who helped foster on cable some of the $$$$$$$ stuff in wall street.
It was great, had the guy dead to rights, but alas, Stewart has been one of the few vocally to go after the lies and deceptions here in the usa, or so it seems.
Maybe one day people will wake up???????
Cheers!
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The Obama Deception
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195
I noted a TV in a public area where CNN was explaining how banks must be bailed out, or you can’t get a loan. What an improvement that would be, if the money lenders were shut down. If you can’t afford it, you don’t get it, so my grandparents in the 30′s.
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“The good ship lollipop it ain’t” – my thoughts exactly! No dance number with a little girl in a short skirt is gonna save this ship. S.S. Capitalism would do better as a ghost ship, there to haunt and remind us. I do see a link between the starving and the overly well-fed, I just don’t know how to bring the two together. Both are miserable! I hope I live to see the day when starvation on this planet ends and wind farms, and permaculture “victory “gardens pop up everywhere. I can still dream!
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i think i might take up solipism…………………and join jean paul sartre………….
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Coffee, I saw that confrontation. Great to see someone calling the ‘media’ out.
Ken, we don’t want commonsense getting in the road of the Robber Barons, do we?
Grace, dreams are all that keep us going much of the time.
Coco, Sartre was one of my favourite authors during my formative years (which are still going)!
Cheers.
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David . I will like to be alive and very awake to see the end of the capitalism. And like you:
“I hate greed and what it does to people and nations. I hate inequality and injustice. I hate the fact that a few people have so much while the bulk of people starve. I loathe the idea of classes – we are all humans. Racial superiority and religious fraud leave me cold as do nations who seek military solutions or domination.”
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Permaculture and victory gardens are at opposite ends of the spectrum in my mind. Victory implies defeat and neo-humans don’t or won’t allow themselves to think in those terms.
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David, I think that if the Gov really wanted to bail our economy out, it should include everyone. Try this one on for size: 85 Billion dollars divided by 200 million equals $450,000 given to everyone 18 years old and over including the Troops of course. We all should pay taxes on this Windfall 30% = $127,500 from each of us. That leaves each one of us with $297,500in our pokes, $595,000 for a married couple. We could pay off debt, Mortgages, student loans, credit cards, invest dor what ever. The economy booms everyone becomes solvent and it only cost the Gov is $59.5 Billion because we all chipped in 30% taxes back to the Gov.
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David G Reply:
March 16th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Robert, Governments in capitalist economies rely on competition and greed keeping the producers and consumers on the treadmill and paying taxes so that a few can become ultra-wealthy and make big political donations.
Making everyone moderately well off would ruin the system completely.
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Robert Maassen Reply:
March 17th, 2009 at 6:25 am
David, I thought that ruining the capitalist system was your advocacy.
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I am heartened to have found this site and the comments I find here help me to undo and understand the indoctrination I recieved –have been undoing the lies all my life and have never regretted taking my own road.
David please explain “that all sexual preferences are equally good” that statement being a belief we are taught and needs to be questioned. Kate
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David I agree with your reply to VR2 completely except for the remark about savages. Many “savages” have lived lives in societies that were much more civilized than most of the people in the world live in today. Even when they engaged in “war” they did not go and kill the women and children, destroying their homes and crops. They did not have hugh differences in wealth with some starving and homeless and others with so much that they didn’t even know how many homes they had like John McCain.
Part of the inspiration for the US constitution was based on native american societies.
The more “civilized” we have become the worse life has become for the majority of the people of the world.
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What happens when the ship hits bottom, as it inevitably will? Will it provide habitat for fish, corals, or algae? Will it slowly deteriorate harmlessly amidst the salts and ocean water, its once formidable hull now reduced to nutrients that sustain life? Or, will it pollute the sea with toxins that remain chemically unaltered through the ages, leaving a human legacy that no amount of evolution can dissolve?
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Robert, capitalism is doing a good job of ruining itself. But if I can assist in the process, I will!
KAtheen, this morning, coincidentally, I got what looked like an innocent comment. When I clicked on the URL I was confronted with a page full of filthy explicit photographs. There were all kinds of humans of different ages and genders in a variety of positions doing all kinds of disgusting things to each others apertures. The line between joyous sexuality and destructive depravity is easily crossed.
Jeannie, sometimes I am lost for words to describe some aspects of what humans do. I am forced to use words like ‘savages’ because there aren’t the words in English to really describe what I’m feeling and thinking. Perhaps the fact that there aren’t such words is instructive and suggests that humans don’t really want to accept what they are!
Peter, if all the warships in the world were to be stripped of their oil, toxins and weapons then sunk, the fish population would indeed be richly rewarded and we humans would take a giant leap forward in our evolution.
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The fact that sex is openly distributed for profit – or freely abused and used by selfish, sick people – is not evidence of a culture in which “all sexual preferences are equally good.” This message certainly can’t be associated with the usual sources of “indoctrination”: family, school, church, military, etc. If you wouldn’t mind, David, could you please elaborate further?
What about those who are verbally abused, beaten, raped, or killed for trying to live honestly outside of the “norms” of sexuality and gender?
Questioning the contrast between one’s internal sexual truth and the distorted messages experienced in society is instrumental in discovering and cultivating one’s Neo Humanity.
Please elaborate
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Denise, I left this site but I’m glad your message came through. David actually tries hard to tell us that all is not that it seems. The truth is, that we all create our existence. We don’ t necessarily pretend to be gods, but our minds work in ways that create our reality. I try hard not to wake up every morning, BUT I DO! I don’t want to die, but living hurts. The pain is tremendous.
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Denise and VR2, I am experiencing difficulty with responding to both of your comments. I agree that, sometimes, often even, living hurts, that life hurts. And I find the fact that there are questions about human sexuality disturbing.
I wish that things were simpler. I wish I had more answers. Sometimes I wish I had never sought the truth. The more I know, the less I want to know!
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Yes, VR2LNNNTT, Victory is an outdated way of thinking! Thank you for that. It is the old way, indoctrinated way of thinking. I am hosting a permaculture party at my house. We are bringing together people who want to garden and people who have the space for a garden. With the goal of feeding ourselves and feeding hungry people in our community.
Robert Massen, your idea is right on and would save the country and the world. In order to get to the place where that could be implemented, in my opinion, we have to get rid of the people who are trying to bring on Armageddon. There are churches filled with people listening and waiting and believing to Bring it on! Let the people who want to live on Mars go. Good planets are still hard to find and this one suits me fine. I will learn how to live in harmony with the Earth herself.
David, I once hiked to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and back to the top. At one point we rested for water and there were two or three Australians. We tried our best to communicate, but even though we were all speaking English, the dialect and accent was so thick I could not understand. We just sort of smiled and parted. Here we are the the advent of typing to one another. It greatly reduces misunderstandings. This thing with all the confusion about questioning all of our indoctrinated messages -and- to question that all preferences are equal is confusing because that was not the message many received from the judging crowds we grew up with. All preferences were not equal in the old way of thinking. That is why shame thrived and people were more easily controllable when they were full of shame. I just finally accepted this might be one of those dialect differences. I appreciate your site and all the other points you have made have made perfect sense to me.
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Robert Maassen,
Well I’ll be. Shazaam. I am ashamed that I did not think of your idea that you posted at 12:56 on the 16th of March. I guess that I was to busy thinking about other things that have seemed more important. One thing that comes to my mind is what effect would your proposal have on inflation? Even though you may see that question as an implied criticism it is really not because a risk of hyperflation also comes with the current bailout plans.
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Robert,
I knew that your figures were at least a couple of decimal points off. But you have obviously confused a German billion with an American trillion like I did. In any case the way the US government is handing out trillions it maybe is a good idea to let the big companies fail and just pass out trillions directly to the American people. It will not do much to teach responsible behavior but passing out trillions to failing businesses does not do much to teach responsible behavior either.
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