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	<description>&#34;Argue not with fools, frauds, fops, and fanatics. Seek instead better companions.&#34;                          ----- &#34;Show    me a  millionaire and I will show you a man who has never thought about the meaning of  his life.&#34;</description>
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		<title>By: Arvy</title>
		<link>http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2009/01/back-to-school-for-traumatized-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-3733</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks as if those kids won&#039;t be back in school for long.  One soldier dies and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83872&amp;sectionid=351020202&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Isreal resumes its attack&lt;/a&gt; on Gaza&#039;s population.  Another soldier is held prisoner and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83884&amp;sectionid=351020202&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Isreal threatens to assassinate&lt;/a&gt; the head of Gaza&#039;s elected government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks as if those kids won&#8217;t be back in school for long.  One soldier dies and <a href="http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83872&amp;sectionid=351020202" rel="nofollow">Isreal resumes its attack</a> on Gaza&#8217;s population.  Another soldier is held prisoner and <a href="http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83884&amp;sectionid=351020202" rel="nofollow">Isreal threatens to assassinate</a> the head of Gaza&#8217;s elected government.</p>
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		<title>By: swan</title>
		<link>http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2009/01/back-to-school-for-traumatized-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-3731</link>
		<dc:creator>swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is the way we did and are doing the American Indians, is the way we helped Israeli jews do to and still are helping them to do the Palestinian Arabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is the way we did and are doing the American Indians, is the way we helped Israeli jews do to and still are helping them to do the Palestinian Arabs.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvy</title>
		<link>http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2009/01/back-to-school-for-traumatized-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-3688</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hail, O Bringer of Fire!  And have you, perchance, an answer to Gilad Atzmon&#039;s question?  From where I sit, it looks very much a longshot at least so long as the U.S. persists in its pledge to &quot;oblterate&quot; the originators of any such attempt -- as if Israel needed their help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hail, O Bringer of Fire!  And have you, perchance, an answer to Gilad Atzmon&#8217;s question?  From where I sit, it looks very much a longshot at least so long as the U.S. persists in its pledge to &#8220;oblterate&#8221; the originators of any such attempt &#8212; as if Israel needed their help.</p>
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		<title>By: prometheus</title>
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		<dc:creator>prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will never forget.
We will never forgive.

&quot;Israel is a Nazi state that has no right to exist. The Christian West sought to establish it as a means to repent of its crime at our expense. There was never a Smaller or Greater Israel. The history of the Torah is fiction and not history. The same goes for Peres justice.
What does Israel expect after a long occupation? To be welcomed by Palestinians with roses and wedding rice?
Many Israelis, including Livni, evoke the Transfer (Palestinian displacement). In return, we demand a transfer that would send the Israelis back to the countries they came from. Only original Arab Jews, who were in the lands before the establishment of Israel, would remain.&quot;
 J. Al Khazen

&quot;What we see in Gaza is holocaust denial in its making. The Jewish state exercises hardcore barbarism. Yet, the world keeps silent. Once again we are confronted with the realization that giving a mandate for a national home for the Jewish people has been demonstrated to be a grave lethal mistake. The only question is how to dismantle this monstrous suicidal hawkish creature without turning our planet into a fireball.&quot;
Gilad Atzmon, Israel-born musician and anti-Zionist activist

More:
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/59000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will never forget.<br />
We will never forgive.</p>
<p>&#8220;Israel is a Nazi state that has no right to exist. The Christian West sought to establish it as a means to repent of its crime at our expense. There was never a Smaller or Greater Israel. The history of the Torah is fiction and not history. The same goes for Peres justice.<br />
What does Israel expect after a long occupation? To be welcomed by Palestinians with roses and wedding rice?<br />
Many Israelis, including Livni, evoke the Transfer (Palestinian displacement). In return, we demand a transfer that would send the Israelis back to the countries they came from. Only original Arab Jews, who were in the lands before the establishment of Israel, would remain.&#8221;<br />
 J. Al Khazen</p>
<p>&#8220;What we see in Gaza is holocaust denial in its making. The Jewish state exercises hardcore barbarism. Yet, the world keeps silent. Once again we are confronted with the realization that giving a mandate for a national home for the Jewish people has been demonstrated to be a grave lethal mistake. The only question is how to dismantle this monstrous suicidal hawkish creature without turning our planet into a fireball.&#8221;<br />
Gilad Atzmon, Israel-born musician and anti-Zionist activist</p>
<p>More:<br />
<a href="http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/59000" rel="nofollow">http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/59000</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arvy</title>
		<link>http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2009/01/back-to-school-for-traumatized-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-3671</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:- I should not have referred to your tentative repsonse to your own question as &quot;your position.&quot;  Its not entirely clear whether you were proposing it as the answer or just asking another question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:- I should not have referred to your tentative repsonse to your own question as &#8220;your position.&#8221;  Its not entirely clear whether you were proposing it as the answer or just asking another question.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I actually said was: &quot;&lt;b&gt;The&lt;/b&gt; real things are quite scarce.&quot;  It was said in the context of my previous commentary concerning labels like &quot;freedom&quot; and &quot;democracy&quot; and their misappropration for purposes of imposing a U.S. system that is anything but free and democratic.

If you require a further example, you need only consider the recent rejection by the U.S. and its principal Middle East ally of the results of the Palestinians&#039; free democratic choice of their own political representation.  Such choices, even when internationally supervised and certified, don&#039;t fit the U.S. &quot;freedom and democracy&quot; label unless they accord with the interests of USA Incorporated.

As for your much broader philosophical question, I&#039;m sorry to say it, but your position, as poetic as it may be, seems to me like a major copout.  If there is no such thing as objective reality, if it exists only in the eyes of the beholder, every viewpoint is as valid as any other and all argumentation becomes pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I actually said was: &#8220;<b>The</b> real things are quite scarce.&#8221;  It was said in the context of my previous commentary concerning labels like &#8220;freedom&#8221; and &#8220;democracy&#8221; and their misappropration for purposes of imposing a U.S. system that is anything but free and democratic.</p>
<p>If you require a further example, you need only consider the recent rejection by the U.S. and its principal Middle East ally of the results of the Palestinians&#8217; free democratic choice of their own political representation.  Such choices, even when internationally supervised and certified, don&#8217;t fit the U.S. &#8220;freedom and democracy&#8221; label unless they accord with the interests of USA Incorporated.</p>
<p>As for your much broader philosophical question, I&#8217;m sorry to say it, but your position, as poetic as it may be, seems to me like a major copout.  If there is no such thing as objective reality, if it exists only in the eyes of the beholder, every viewpoint is as valid as any other and all argumentation becomes pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: David G</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lastdregs, that is an interesting view! However, as &#039;amoral&#039; means to have no morals, atheist, to me, means to have absolutely no truck with religion at all. I feel comfortable with that!

Ken, labels allow us to put people and things into categories which makes discussion must easier.  For example, if we view 6.5 billion people as separate individuals we wouldn&#039;t be able to debate anything about humans!

Swan, the world is filled with injustice. Most of it is unreported and goes unpunished. How can we keep up with it all? Thanks for the info. though!

Arvy, you say, &#039;real things are quite scarce.&quot; What is real? Is it like beauty? - in the eye of the beholder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lastdregs, that is an interesting view! However, as &#8216;amoral&#8217; means to have no morals, atheist, to me, means to have absolutely no truck with religion at all. I feel comfortable with that!</p>
<p>Ken, labels allow us to put people and things into categories which makes discussion must easier.  For example, if we view 6.5 billion people as separate individuals we wouldn&#8217;t be able to debate anything about humans!</p>
<p>Swan, the world is filled with injustice. Most of it is unreported and goes unpunished. How can we keep up with it all? Thanks for the info. though!</p>
<p>Arvy, you say, &#8216;real things are quite scarce.&#8221; What is real? Is it like beauty? &#8211; in the eye of the beholder!</p>
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		<title>By: lastdregs</title>
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		<dc:creator>lastdregs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i get libertarian social views, not the business/free market views. just an excuse for upward flow of wealth. it is not a complete system, to me, but one based on the founders goals, which i think was based on self-interest anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i get libertarian social views, not the business/free market views. just an excuse for upward flow of wealth. it is not a complete system, to me, but one based on the founders goals, which i think was based on self-interest anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why labels?&quot;, you ask.  Precisely because they are powerful manipulative tools that can be and are readily misappropriated on the basis that he who controls the definitions wins the debate.

Example: Freedom and democracy are inherently good things.  We are (by our own definition) spreading &quot;freedom and democracy.&quot;  Ergo, what we are doing is a good thing.  It&#039;s really quite a simple syllogism and it almost always works, especially with the audience that wants to believe in its own superiority.  (Who doesn&#039;t.)

Those actually experiencing the process, on the other hand, might disagree, but they don&#039;t matter.  Why?  Because, once again by definition, &quot;freedom and democracy&quot; are not theirs and therefore they cannot possibly know or appreciate how good it is until they get it -- by whatever means we &quot;good people&quot; deem necessary, even if it kills them.

Religiion -- always the &quot;right&quot; religion, of course -- follows precisely the same &quot;logic&quot; and utilises essentially the same human self-perceptions and desires for &quot;goodness&quot; in its labelling and arguments -- which is to say no logic whatever.

It would be equally mistaken, however, to condemn the real thing based solely on the misuse of its label.  Some aspects of real freedom and democracy may actually be good.  (Perhaps even some moral values represented as religious ones.)  It&#039;s hard to say.  The real things are quite scarce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why labels?&#8221;, you ask.  Precisely because they are powerful manipulative tools that can be and are readily misappropriated on the basis that he who controls the definitions wins the debate.</p>
<p>Example: Freedom and democracy are inherently good things.  We are (by our own definition) spreading &#8220;freedom and democracy.&#8221;  Ergo, what we are doing is a good thing.  It&#8217;s really quite a simple syllogism and it almost always works, especially with the audience that wants to believe in its own superiority.  (Who doesn&#8217;t.)</p>
<p>Those actually experiencing the process, on the other hand, might disagree, but they don&#8217;t matter.  Why?  Because, once again by definition, &#8220;freedom and democracy&#8221; are not theirs and therefore they cannot possibly know or appreciate how good it is until they get it &#8212; by whatever means we &#8220;good people&#8221; deem necessary, even if it kills them.</p>
<p>Religiion &#8212; always the &#8220;right&#8221; religion, of course &#8212; follows precisely the same &#8220;logic&#8221; and utilises essentially the same human self-perceptions and desires for &#8220;goodness&#8221; in its labelling and arguments &#8212; which is to say no logic whatever.</p>
<p>It would be equally mistaken, however, to condemn the real thing based solely on the misuse of its label.  Some aspects of real freedom and democracy may actually be good.  (Perhaps even some moral values represented as religious ones.)  It&#8217;s hard to say.  The real things are quite scarce.</p>
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		<title>By: swan</title>
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		<dc:creator>swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Americans are still mistreating the natives, known as Indians, even deliberately voting against their interests in the UN, as recently as in Sept.  The day after the inaugeration, the Bureau of Federal Prisons suddenly transferred the well known American Indian Movement leader, Leonard Peltier, to a distant prison, where he was immediately assaulted by a gang of convicts, and thrown into solitary, with one meal a day.  This after thirty years in jail, and just before he is to be brought up for parole.

You can get info and addresses for letters, at the Russell Means Freedom Foundation website.  He refers to these tribes as our Palestinians, and it is amazing how heartless and savage history shows whites and Black soldiers have been toward the &#039;redskins&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Americans are still mistreating the natives, known as Indians, even deliberately voting against their interests in the UN, as recently as in Sept.  The day after the inaugeration, the Bureau of Federal Prisons suddenly transferred the well known American Indian Movement leader, Leonard Peltier, to a distant prison, where he was immediately assaulted by a gang of convicts, and thrown into solitary, with one meal a day.  This after thirty years in jail, and just before he is to be brought up for parole.</p>
<p>You can get info and addresses for letters, at the Russell Means Freedom Foundation website.  He refers to these tribes as our Palestinians, and it is amazing how heartless and savage history shows whites and Black soldiers have been toward the &#8216;redskins&#8217;.</p>
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