Comments on: What Would Jesus Do? http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/ "Argue not with fools, frauds, fops, and fanatics. Seek instead better companions." ----- "Show me a millionaire and I will show you a man who has never thought about the meaning of his life." Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:45:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: swan http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1716 swan Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:53:43 +0000 #comment-1716 Thanks for the term, buckchasers, David G. So appropriate a name. Sad, sad, sad! Thanks for the term, buckchasers, David G. So appropriate a name. Sad, sad, sad!

]]> By: Q http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1715 Q Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:41:00 +0000 #comment-1715 David,<br /> <br /> I don't think Jesus cares about money, or anything else we humans invented - stock market, insurance, real estate, etc.<br /> <br /> Sticking to my Christian beliefs and feeble scriptural knowledge I would say Jesus cares about love, hope, and faith. Jesus is worried more about the ill, poor, and weak than the healthy, rich, and powerful (Jesus is always for the underdog - except Satan). However, by ill, poor, and weak Jesus means spiritually, not physically. A person with a lot of physical wealth could be spiritually bankrupt. <br /> <br /> On the other hand, I don't think Jesus holds wealth as a strike against someone if they use it to help others for the sake of helping - agape.<br /> <br /> I'm not well educated from a Christian point of view since I was unproclaimed atheist for 14 years, then a procclaimed atheist for 31 years, before choosing to be a Christian 7 years ago.<br /> <br /> Q<br /> <br /> PS - I work in the financial services industry for a really big company, Fortune 500. We have a lot of interaction with other economists in the industry. We knew that there were a lot of problems building - none of us knew that the investment banks were lying about their risk... <br /> <br /> Few people understood the extent of interdependence (including the people that were forecasting the worst). It is a very complex system to predict. But, I haven't heard any credible economist say this is the end of civilization as we know it. David,

I don’t think Jesus cares about money, or anything else we humans invented – stock market, insurance, real estate, etc.

Sticking to my Christian beliefs and feeble scriptural knowledge I would say Jesus cares about love, hope, and faith. Jesus is worried more about the ill, poor, and weak than the healthy, rich, and powerful (Jesus is always for the underdog – except Satan). However, by ill, poor, and weak Jesus means spiritually, not physically. A person with a lot of physical wealth could be spiritually bankrupt.

On the other hand, I don’t think Jesus holds wealth as a strike against someone if they use it to help others for the sake of helping – agape.

I’m not well educated from a Christian point of view since I was unproclaimed atheist for 14 years, then a procclaimed atheist for 31 years, before choosing to be a Christian 7 years ago.

Q

PS – I work in the financial services industry for a really big company, Fortune 500. We have a lot of interaction with other economists in the industry. We knew that there were a lot of problems building – none of us knew that the investment banks were lying about their risk…

Few people understood the extent of interdependence (including the people that were forecasting the worst). It is a very complex system to predict. But, I haven’t heard any credible economist say this is the end of civilization as we know it.

]]> By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1714 David G Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:32:17 +0000 #comment-1714 Lucy, I guess the bottom line is that greed (and the sharemarket is one of its major pillars) is destroying both our physical world and our potential as humans.<br /> <br /> People, en masse, have become rapacious buck-chasers and social climbers and will allow nothing to stand in their way, not even their own children (who, more and more, get pushed into child-minding centres).<br /> <br /> The architects of the greed economy are the ones who reap the large financial rewards. The buck-chasers keep chasing until they realize that the system is rigged and that money doesn't bring happiness at all.<br /> <br /> Cheers. Lucy, I guess the bottom line is that greed (and the sharemarket is one of its major pillars) is destroying both our physical world and our potential as humans.

People, en masse, have become rapacious buck-chasers and social climbers and will allow nothing to stand in their way, not even their own children (who, more and more, get pushed into child-minding centres).

The architects of the greed economy are the ones who reap the large financial rewards. The buck-chasers keep chasing until they realize that the system is rigged and that money doesn’t bring happiness at all.

Cheers.

]]> By: Lucy http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1713 Lucy Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:50:30 +0000 #comment-1713 I can see the logic of this being a good time to buy shares because they have plunged and so will probably eventually go back up to the previous lofty heights therefore netting a profit for the shareholder. Gamble is, if the company you buy your shares in collapses, you lose the lot.<br /> I can see the logic of this being a good time to buy shares because they have plunged and so will probably eventually go back up to the previous lofty heights therefore netting a profit for the shareholder. Gamble is, if the company you buy your shares in collapses, you lose the lot.

]]> By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1712 David G Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:30:29 +0000 #comment-1712 Adina, thanks for your advice. Shares would be the very last thing I would buy. I prefer tangible things not bits of paper which could end up being worthless.<br /> <br /> Phill, I hear the ominous warnings but I can't see overwhelming evidence yet. Perhaps we, the sheep, are being frightened for nefarious reasons?<br /> <br /> Grace, I share your view completely. Their hypocrisy is breathtaking.<br /> <br /> Cheers. Adina, thanks for your advice. Shares would be the very last thing I would buy. I prefer tangible things not bits of paper which could end up being worthless.

Phill, I hear the ominous warnings but I can’t see overwhelming evidence yet. Perhaps we, the sheep, are being frightened for nefarious reasons?

Grace, I share your view completely. Their hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Cheers.

]]> By: grace http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1711 grace Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:40:15 +0000 #comment-1711 Jesus commanded, "Love your neighbor." When asked to define "neighbor," Jesus expanded the traditional meaning of the word--defining our neighbor as anyone who is in need, including social outcasts: "But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed." (Luke 14:13)<br /> <br /> I cannot even imagine that Catholic Cardinal who was so cozy to McCain following the above words.<br /> They are liars and hypocrites in Godly clothing. I am positive Jesus would have thrown a man like that out with the money changers in the Temple.<br /> <br /> Peace on Earth.<br /> g Jesus commanded, “Love your neighbor.” When asked to define “neighbor,” Jesus expanded the traditional meaning of the word–defining our neighbor as anyone who is in need, including social outcasts: “But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed.” (Luke 14:13)

I cannot even imagine that Catholic Cardinal who was so cozy to McCain following the above words.
They are liars and hypocrites in Godly clothing. I am positive Jesus would have thrown a man like that out with the money changers in the Temple.

Peace on Earth.
g

]]> By: Phill http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1710 Phill Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:01:41 +0000 #comment-1710 David, to use that old cliche that Andrew Peacock loves so much "As sure as night follows day" the economy is slowly sinking into the abyss.<br /> <br /> But the real kicker is, Rudd knows it, and Turnbull knows it.The difference being, Turnbull is trying to secure his position to be P.M. because what ever he says or does, it's "man the life boats"<br /> <br /> Everything you read now, and the main stream media is following on, (and I am not going to supply links,) knows the shell game is over.<br /> <br /> By the time they do sort something out,a lot of what's happening is going to end in tears.<br /> <br /> Slightly off topic but I believe relevant,I see Powell has come out and endorsed Obama.Now as much as I despise this man,(The U.N. fairy story)he is no idiot.He would be more aware than most people the game is up.<br /> <br /> For mine, I truly do believe he is dis associating himself from an experiment that(and I am not holding my breath) could be later tested in a court of law. <br /> <br /> Denial is not a river in Egypt so they say.<br /> <br /> Jesus would have taken a whip to the lot of them.For mine Bush would escape the punishment, hiding under a table. David, to use that old cliche that Andrew Peacock loves so much “As sure as night follows day” the economy is slowly sinking into the abyss.

But the real kicker is, Rudd knows it, and Turnbull knows it.The difference being, Turnbull is trying to secure his position to be P.M. because what ever he says or does, it’s “man the life boats”

Everything you read now, and the main stream media is following on, (and I am not going to supply links,) knows the shell game is over.

By the time they do sort something out,a lot of what’s happening is going to end in tears.

Slightly off topic but I believe relevant,I see Powell has come out and endorsed Obama.Now as much as I despise this man,(The U.N. fairy story)he is no idiot.He would be more aware than most people the game is up.

For mine, I truly do believe he is dis associating himself from an experiment that(and I am not holding my breath) could be later tested in a court of law.

Denial is not a river in Egypt so they say.

Jesus would have taken a whip to the lot of them.For mine Bush would escape the punishment, hiding under a table.

]]> By: Adina http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/what-would-jesus-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1709 Adina Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:14:04 +0000 #comment-1709 Dear David, this is a redistribution of wealth only, you said it yourself so perfectly. We suckers made the barons reach. Not only were they compensated to inflate the bubble, burst the bubble, "clean up" the mess after the bubble.. They re now in a shopping spree.. and enjoy getting richer by the minute... People who have billions can afford to buy now relatively cheap BUT IT IS NOT CHEAP AT ALL.. stock brokers recomment P/E around 10 as being great already.. huh... duh... blah... and they can afford to average down their portofolio.. while small innocent retirees will never afford to do the same, as their survival depends on their shrunken pension funds. . . <br /> don t forget, money are printed and markets will eventually continue to "grow".. it s a stage show. And we suckers buy into it. MARKETS ARE behaving madly these days. People buy just because the decline was not as bad.. just -100 now looks like +200 to their irrational brains..<br /> <br /> But... now.. the real reason.. can t you hear more and more often a "financial NEW ORDER" is needed now... .... . ah ha. Real Agenda.<br /> <br /> Funny.. Even the most beloved environmental subject.. will become as Grace predicted a mean to destroy the poor.. as correctly she said it.. you ll have to pay for it.. while the big businesses buy carbon credits.. <br /> what a hypocrisy.. <br /> <br /> So my dear friend, do not buy rio tinto, and stay alive and well please, for all your afficionados readers.. :) <br /> Dear David, this is a redistribution of wealth only, you said it yourself so perfectly. We suckers made the barons reach. Not only were they compensated to inflate the bubble, burst the bubble, “clean up” the mess after the bubble.. They re now in a shopping spree.. and enjoy getting richer by the minute… People who have billions can afford to buy now relatively cheap BUT IT IS NOT CHEAP AT ALL.. stock brokers recomment P/E around 10 as being great already.. huh… duh… blah… and they can afford to average down their portofolio.. while small innocent retirees will never afford to do the same, as their survival depends on their shrunken pension funds. . .
don t forget, money are printed and markets will eventually continue to “grow”.. it s a stage show. And we suckers buy into it. MARKETS ARE behaving madly these days. People buy just because the decline was not as bad.. just -100 now looks like +200 to their irrational brains..

But… now.. the real reason.. can t you hear more and more often a “financial NEW ORDER” is needed now… …. . ah ha. Real Agenda.

Funny.. Even the most beloved environmental subject.. will become as Grace predicted a mean to destroy the poor.. as correctly she said it.. you ll have to pay for it.. while the big businesses buy carbon credits..
what a hypocrisy..

So my dear friend, do not buy rio tinto, and stay alive and well please, for all your afficionados readers.. :)

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