Barricades are easily built! Manning them with heroes is harder.
Friends, given the financial and political crisis that is emerging in America, one that is impacting on the whole world, it seems to me that their system is broke and it needs to be abandoned and a new one put in its place.
In France, prior to their Revolution, the system was broke also. The Royals had bankrupted the place and were living a decadent, immoral, elitist lifestyle while the poor peasants starved. Eventually the peasants, stirred up then led by some University radicals, got the show on the road and within a short time had marched the Royals to the guillotine and set up a democracy by the people and for the people which has endured to this day.
In America, the Robber Barons, who are the Neo Royalty and have bankrupted the country with their excessive borrowing and risky investments, are living a decadent lifestyle using money they’ve stolen from the peasants. Meanwhile, the country falls down around their ears.
The Politicians, who are beholden to the New Royalty, have set up a pseudo-democratic political system that is run by the wealthy for the benefit of the wealthy. They have continued on with the farce that has always been American foreign policy and have engaged in more foolish, unwinable wars (that America cannot afford) also using borrowed money. It is said that America is now largely owned by China.
Currently, the situation in America is dire. Banks are falling over like dominoes, the Democrats and the Republicans are in a state of terminal confusion. The Treasury is currently being run by a man whose expertise brought about the end of a major financial institution. And the President, a would-be dictator who frequently gibbers, is a man whose I.Q. is about the same size as his shoe. And those who would replace him are nearly as mediocre. Worst of all, the contagion in America is spilling over to other countries and no one knows whether this will lead to a world-wide depression.
The solution? The American Revolution, one led by some radicals (but not from American Universities because they are little more than Vocational Training Centres) and supported by some brave, non-couch potato American peasants who are daily becoming poorer. All the peasants need to be convinced of is that the status quo can be changed and that they can do it. The precedent has been set. Viva La France!
It’s a simple matter then to build some barricades, march on Washington, march on Billionaire’s Row, string up or jail all the spivs, carpetbaggers and political poltroons, sell their assets and distribute them to the poor, then sit down and, with a nice cup of coffee, plan a whole new Constitution and economic system. The new system should be one that is for the benefit of all the people not a small elite group of money-grubbers and self-seekers who will do anything (including waging endless wars, torture, taking away human rights, rigging elections, etc) to retain their monopoly.
Yes, once the American Revolution is over, the whole world will heave a sigh of relief and, following New America’s lead, peace might finally stand a chance of becoming a reality.
Pacifying drugs? That’s a slippery slope that won’t end well. A Government would love to have a docile population willing to accept its actions without protest. Not for me thank you.
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You didn’t answer my question. You keep saying there are holes in our constitution but cannot give me any examples. Another thing, Lucy here says she doesn’t want to take any pacifying drugs, I too would not take them either. What are you going to do to us and a popluation of say a 10000 who don’t want to take the drugs? getting rid of organized religion? hum… sounds like the old soviet regime to me. Also I said Nukes should just be gotten rid of completely How were they brought about as a result of religion last I checked they were used to stop imperialism.
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Ah, Lucy, is the better option to allow our destructive, violent instincts to reign supreme until we destroy ourselves?
If you have a flaw in your heart you wouldn’t think twice about having it fixed. So what’s so wrong with adopting a temporary fix to a flaw in our nature while we try to come up with a better solution? To do nothing is to invite extinction!
Ziggy, I have given reasons. Nukes were developed to advance imperialism, American imperialism! That’s why the U.S. has military bases all over the world.
Cheers.
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Ok, what happens when people are taken off of the drugs since they are for short-term use only. Also if the men in the military were told to come home and shoot their own families they would revolt against the leaders and leave the military and just come home to protect their families and the rest of the American population. Those men and women in the military are good people.
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Hopefully, a more passive group of humans could then sit down together and come up with a better education system, Ziggy, one that teaches cooperation and caring, one that helps us to tame our more base instincts.
If that doesn’t work, then there is always genetic engineering which might remove some of our more destructive, violent traits.
The problem is that humans are a mixture of good and evil, Ziggy, and the evil part, if left unchecked, will eventually destroy us.
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Yes our mixture of good and evil is a problem, but I know of many religions that do teach cooperation, caring, and good morals, however many people have taken its words and thrown them out of context and manipulated it to do what they want it to do, which is sad but is the truth. To throw-away these religions would be a bad decision, we should teach the real meaning of their text not something fake that someone made up to make them feel less guilty about something bad they did or will do. The religions that teach cooperation, caring, and good morals should be taught truthfully to everyone, these are religions that many good people who have promoted world peace followed and believed. Getting rid of religion will cause people to lose their morals and more and more violence will rise because many people will feel that there will be no repercussions for their actions. Good religions are a way to keep our mixture of good and evil in check. Think about it.
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Ziggy, what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians is a good example of the fruits of religion. Religion divides us. Religions are elitist. Religion, no matter which one, has not a shred of scientific evidence to support its claims.
People can learn to be good and caring without introducing silly superstitions into the equation.
Cheers.
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Great hearing from you, David G. Check out Eric Hufschmidt (sp) on line. Prothink.org has an addition to MISSING LINKS, the video today. Please watch it.
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And to Adina, please let me shout out that I think there are very few women who truly want to sell their bodies, but only do so because they perceive it is necessary.
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Like who? Just wondering? It will be difficult to keep people good and caring without the so-called superstition that what ever they do will be seen by the big boss upstairs.
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Dear Swan.. you d be amazed how many “mistresses” populate the mother Earth. In the many places I ve lived it is costumary to see the sexta-septuagenary business man, fat, ugly, foul, with the appendix: the sexy, sweet, all perfumed, long legged 20, 30max years.. mistress.
You would be amazed if an accurate accounting could quanotify for real how many women DO sell their body. This is real. And the nation of Play Boy is hardly a place where that is not a daily reality. They do sell their body, in any way possible..
And to anyone who may assume I m bitter and jealous of those gorgeous “ladies”, for the record, I m actually good looking and got nothing to envy there.. ha ha ha
P.S. just check out the case of the New Zealander teacher who had as part time evening job the following qualification: prostitute. Seems that New Zealand cannot even deny her right to teach, as she is free to utilize her evenings freely.. Ha ha ha ..
So the Money do Shape the World, and women do sell their bodies..
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Swan, I’ll check it out.
Ziggy, there are many people who are atheists yet they care about the world and its people. They are called humanitarians.
Swan, women have been selling themselves for ten millenia. Some of them give a very good impression that they enjoy it!
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You say rich people are bad but Bill Gates and his wife is a humanitarian who has donated millions if not billions to people in need, would you say they are good people?
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Ziggy, certainly there are philanthropists like Gates. But having spent much of your life acquiring more money than you could ever spend, to give some away must make them feel good.
However, those who give who don’t have a fortune make a sacrifice that is far greater and more worthy in my opinion.
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NoOneYouKnow.. we are not that naive, are we.. Do you know what fiscal benefits trusts and humanitary foundations entitle the trustees to?
Having two days ago a discussion with an Ambassador.. really. (by the way, he s around 60 with a 20 y.o mistress publicly and shamelessly displayed).. he said that many chose to be beneficiary Consuls for countries of which they are not even citizens for NO FEE.. I said , come on.. they must have some Financial interest linked to the respective country.. and he said , no.. These people are rich.. but not mega rich.. in the range of tenth of millions, ministers and presidents will never bother about them.. for them to get invited to receptions and meet these high level people.. is a huge benefit . He also added that organizing and going to charities is another way to entertain and expose yourself.. if you are not the grandaddy teaching fables kind of retiree.. So. there maybe decent rich people. But preservation of wealth is their main target.. Sharing is just a good publicity stunt, for the majority of the cases.
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Back to the subject of government, I would really like to know what holes do you see in the constitution, because it seems to me that the constitution was made to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. But, hey, if you can’t name any thats fine too.
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NOYK, if you examine your list of things the Constitution was meant to achieve and compare that to how America stands at this point in time it seems to me that there is a huge discrepancy. This must surely suggest to you that the Constitution is badly flawed.
Take a few issues: the American people couldn’t get rid of Bush or impeach him and neither could they stop him acting like a dictator or stop him taking away their rights or spending the country into bankruptcy or engaging in invasions and occupations or torturing and rendering or unfairly favouring Big Business, Religious Fundamentalists and the wealthy, etc, etc.
And the Constitution certainly doesn’t stop Congress or the Senate from being manipulated by the rich and the powerful.
Cheers.
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NoOneYouKnow.. well at least you do not continue to sustain that the poor rich people are struggling and sacrificing themselves in order to make the poor poor people happy with their magnanimous disinterested charities..
For the holes in constitution.. well, if there weren t any holes.. the intricate system of laws which manage to slip through despite their non constitutionality would not be able to exist. Let s take some holes in target:
1. Powers of congress “To borrow money on the credit of the United States;” – nice.
My comment: That means to be able to create credit bubbles and discharge them on the Taxpayers.. that seems a big hole to me. ON THE CREDIT OF THE UNITED STATES…. huh.. THE BAILOUT IS CONSTITUTIONAL for the people who still question it s constitutionality.
2. “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”;
- Martial law Is Constitutional. What is insurrection? The people raising up against the power of the Congress. hehehe. Constitutional to raise MILITIA against them. That seems a big hole to me.
3. Limits of the Congress: “The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”..
Comment: to the deluded people who think martial law is not possible.. as habeas corpus rules.. well NOT. As REBELLION is a huge term. and if a citizen rebels.. habeas corups may CONSTITUTIONALLY be DENIED if the CONGRESS finds it necessary.
Big hole. big big hole.
5. ammendment 1791 “No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.”
Comment: in time of peace.. don t worry. soldiers cannot enter your house… But in times of War ,.. or under Martial law, they also cannot enter… “but in a manner to be prescribed by the law”. So pass a new bill, and the Soldier can become your extended family on a daily basis, within the comfort of your own house… that you payed with your money and that you payed TAX upon…
BIG hole…
6. To the delulded propagandists who say Tax is not constitutional in US… here we go:
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived”.Ammendment 16 ,1913
So taxes are constitutional, and increasing or decreasing them… up to the authorities…
Big Big hole, if they use them to BAILOUT corporate greedy pigs…
By now, your texts seem like Swiss Cheese to me..
Wonder how can you not see it,.
Have you actually read your constitution?
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Have you even read the entire Constitution? Did you know that the “list of things” I gave was preamble of the Constitution? Which goes “We the people of the United State of America, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” The president of the United States has to abide by the rules of the U.S. Constitution. Yes, Bush was the second to worse president that this country has had but he did not violate any of the 21 Constitutional amendments which would be our rights that we have in this country. Yes the Constitution could use a bit of clarification. Here is a reality check, the big companies and the dumb economists in the government are also to blame for running our economy in the ground, another thing, the Constitution gives the president the right to invade another country if it is a threat to the United States, clearly the terrorist hiding out in Afghanistan pose a huge threat to the US, and we went into Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction, we didn’t find any and decided to overthrow an evil dictator. The Invasion of Iraq was a big mistake with very few gains. The Constitution does not favor anyone because it is based on equality and freedom. The whole torturing thing and keeping foreigners without giving them a reason why is wrong and unfair and is the only thing that I could find that was a tiny, tiny hole in the Constitution and could easily be fixed.
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Ziggy, you are determined to separate the idealistic theory from the grim reality on the ground. That is your right.
You’ve had a lifetime of clever, forceful indoctrination. It may take another lifetime for you to see your country as the rest of the world sees it.
Of course, you may never see it!
Cheers.
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Ha ha ha … you are pathetic.
Now you admit there is a tiny tiny tiny hole in the costitution. Do you know what insurrection means? do you know you have no right to protest and get up against the decisions of the congress even if they go against your interests as citizens? tiny Hole???
Now you talk about preambles.. and chase your own tail, bringing Iraq into picture.. what iraw got to do with the topic? You challenged David on holes in constitution. Can you factually prove to me that my points above and tiny tiny many holes… which are quoted from Your Constitution are not real and just a figment of imagination?
I love pathetic losers who start discussions and are not able to conclude them, and evade the topic they proposed with empty proaganda that sounds pretty communist to me: “based on equality and freedom”..
Blah blah blah. Are you equal and free to steal billions from taxpayers and not go to jail for it? Didn t think so….. You keep thanking your Constitution. And pray to God..
Funny all tiny holes can be fixed but neither God nor the Constitution do fix them..
What are they waiting for?
Could be easily fixed?
IT IS NOT FIXED and that s all that matters.
And do try to fix it if you can: you ll soon have a constitutional Militia and soldier in your house..
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NoOneYouKnow
The brainhashed partizan:
A living shouted slogan.
He has big certainties
Of others’ irregularities.
“Nucular” is the threat
when others nuclear get.
For his’, nuclear is allright,
For His’ hold every right.
He knows what is the best
The world is just “the rest”.
Where terrorist are born
Becomes a place to burn.
To find a scum Osama
They ll hunt each child and momma.
On earth there is no place
To hide from supreme race
Which constitution binds
To have unequalled rights.
If you believe in God
You better pray so hard
The manufactured threat
Your county not to fret.
The brainwashed partizan
Can t comprehend own slogan
All he can do: repeat
That is his only feat.
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David, I already know how other countries see the US, in fact living in Europe and having people say I’m a “dumb yankee” gives me a pretty damn good idea of how Americans and our country are seen. So before you go off saying I had a lifetime of forced beliefs, remember this… these are new beliefs.
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Ziggy, I believe that only around 12% of Americans have passports and have been out of America.
Perhaps if the American Government mandated that every citizen had to spend at least one year overseas the American psyche might change dramatically!
Adina, you continue to surprise and amaze!
Peace.
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That would be a great idea! No really it would.
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Honored by your words, David!!! And Happy
Unfortunately, my message does not seem to touch the source. .You know David why people (like NOYK) love religion? Because they’re raised a higher authority dictating to them how their life should be, while the religious community gives them a sense of belonging. Without these two, they would be lost..
in this lengthy educational/brainwashing process, the neurons responsible for logic kind of falter.. they still grow, but they are always susceptible to subdue to higher authority, sense of belonging, and intense propaganda.
Now let me exemplify to you LACK OF LOGIC and defective function of a brain. For science’s sake, let s take a random specimen ..called let’s say… NOYK…
1. NOYK says: A (constitution) is integer, based on his assumptions. NOYK does not factually demonstrate A is integer.
2. Anonymous replies A is not integer. Anonymous takes time and quotes from A which demonstrate factually A is not integer.
3. NOYK does not reply to point 2 to counter prove A ineger. NOYK reacts like a not yet weaned baby by making appeal to topics adjacent to A. NOYK admits tiny holes in A. NOYK claims A need some bit of explaining before people can understand it’s integrity. He failes miserably to provide the respective “little explaining”.
4. Anonymous is sick an tired of these pretenders. Anonymous requests a reply right on, to the TOPIC.
5. NOYK ignores the Topic Completely..
and Now watch carefully.. this is the step NOYK’s are experts at:
6. NOYK transforms himself in VICTIM!!! He is overseas, poor him, and people are treating him as an ignorant yankee…
Amazing. This strategy is repeated ad infinitum.. just see religious topics.. it goes the same..
Habz – her religion great, better than others.
A – religion not ok. quote point 123..
Habz.. – religion need explaining to be understood better. point 123 avoided.
A – cut the crap. .Please explain.
Habz – busy with the nephew.. avoiding the topic..
and then ultimately…
Habz – i m a victim. I m persectuted by non believers. Failing to explain the points that could prove religion right..
I apologize if I bring again that closed topic.. I wanted to make the analogy between people who subdue to authority and religion.. their behaviour is strangely similar..
It is true, this kind of hipocrisy and disinformation tactic, with the wolf assuming sheep victim status at the end brings the ugly side of me out. i can t take it anymore.
It s like (quote NOYK again) we went to Afganistan to find Osama.. as we were there.. we did more good and went to Iraq to find mass destruction. Great. We couldn t find bomb.. there were some SMALL MISTAKES..
Why do people hate us?
We are the victims?
CUT THE CRAP NOYK and with you every brainwashed propagandist. You are so transparent.. even a child can see through.
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Ah, NoOnwYouKnow.. one last time: DONT LECTURE ME ON HOW WE VIEW YOU AND YOUR COUNTRY.
I HAVE CRIED watching people jumping out of the towers.. I have cried seeing live the second plane.. I have cried and empathized with the american people.
But that did not stop my brain. When a terrorist does something, your first action is to protect his family? As they are innocent? SAY WHAT? HIS FAMILY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FREE BUT UNDER STRICT SURVEILLANCE IN THE STATES. FAMILY IS THE FIRST TO SURVEIL. Your special secret services do not know that?
And then.. why didn t you care so much about the protection of collateral victims, innocent children.. oh, they can die, but we don t want the American people to hurt Osama s family. I WONDER WHY. WHY. WHY. Who wants osama s family safe and why (by the way, on taxpayer money… )??
And then, just because Osama sent “postcards” with an Afghan mountain background.. the rest is history..
Amazing how you all can claim we hate you.. And then.. after all the trilllllllions you have spent on military and defense.. Have you ever wonder how come so many aircrafts can fly over unauthorized area? check any third world country and you ll see there are Aviation rules which prevent that from happening the minute the plane deviated from his original route, especially in the proximity of the airport.. and over highly populated area
I CRIED. But I m afraid the only reason i can cry now for, is that you are so brainless, it is frightening. Thank God there are many many many decent americans. And I DO LOVE THEM
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I can handle those who are unwitting victims of indoctrination, Adina, whether it be nationalistic or religious.
The ones who really get me going are the pseudo-intellectuals. They went to University, rote learned some ‘intellectual’ procedures, passed a few exams, then left University thinking they know everything. They’re the type who start a debate by asking asinine questions like: ‘How do you define business?’ and ‘How do you define profit?’
I guess even the most uneducated person knows the answer to those questions so you get warning in advance that such a person is not genuine but is trying to trap you with his feigned flourish of intelligence and cleverness. Such people also love esoteric words and sprinkle them everywhere.
Cheers.
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YES! Pseudo-intellectuals too! They do push my buttons too!!!!
And what these cathegories have in common is behavioral:
1. flashing entrance, Broadway style
2. stubborn demagogy, flag and starts
3. change the subject when they can t cope with logic
4. play the victim to divert the topic
5.. disappear like COWARDS…
as that is what they are.
As for the political system revolution.. I ve reflected upon other’s ideas and I combined them all, in a proposal (I have enough dignity to admit to that Canadian guy that maybe his idea wasn t so wrong after all, with one important adjustment tough..
Today we have the technology. Every individual on earth should be linked to a personal computer voting system in his home.. based on FINGERPRINT access. Then elect a world government. Broadcast every single meeting and no secrecy under any circumstance, no exception whatsoever. (here the guy was right). And for every single matter, agenda, decisions, etc.. every individual on earth should vote using his fingerprint…. The majority will decide. People who abstain .. it s thei problem. I believe more and more people will attend if they feel they have direct decisional power on the DECISIONS and not on the once every four years selecting politicians to represent them and take decisions on their behalf.. But again.. who will want to give a Zimbabwean the same right as to a Swiss? Doubt it is acceptable for people.. As La fontaine said.. small dogs are euqal, but big dogs are more equal than the small ones..
Cheers
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Yes, definitely we have the technology to set up a world government, Adina, but we don’t have enough properly educated humans to take part in it.
We need a Revolution in Education. We need to get rid of the rote-learning and the false perception that learned people have all the answers. They don’t!
Each person must be taught to think for themselves, question everything and act decisively to get rid of rorts and depose bad systems.
But I guess the religious, the politicians and the Merchants of Greed wouldn’t want that to occur, would they?
They prefer sheeple!
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Hello Mr. Grayling
I have a question for you, how will you start and lead the next “American Revolution” if you are living in another country. I am assuming that you are in Australia, right?
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You are right David and Adina NYOK was a brainless and a coward.
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Mr Unknown, I’m sure that Americans would never allow a leader who wasn’t homegrown to lead them.
Surely among 300 million people there is one person with the vision and intelligence to lead the country out of its deep, increasing problems? What about yourself?
Jonny, I respect your opinion.
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Oh, but Mr. Grayling you are wrong in your assumption that Americans would never follow a foreigner’s vision to lead themselves out of an increasing problem or problems. If you have studied American history, and I assume that you have, you will see that the man who had the largest influence for starting the American Revolution was Thomas Paine. Paine worked and lived in Britain until age 37 when he immigrated to the British American colonies; while he was there he wrote one of the most widely-read and incendiary pamphlets during the revolutionary era, Common Sense, which gave the colonists a reason to declare their independence from the British rule. This pamphlet was also an influence in the writing of the writing of the Declaration of Independence which contains many of its key concepts. However that was two centuries ago, and the times have changed greatly, but if you have ever been to America you will clearly see that it is a country of immigrants who are from many different countries and backgrounds each having different views yet altogether having an exact same view, that America is the land of opportunity.
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Mr Unknown, the idea that America is a land of opportunity is a myth, like many of the claims made by and about America.
It is a society of two classes: a small group of the ultra-rich and a majority of struggling middle class and lower class folk (the colored in the latter category).
Currently it is near bankruptcy (and it would be if those who had loaned it money called for repayment of the debts) and its economic system is in peril.
It is involved in invasions and occupation to feed both its rapacious greed and imperialism and of course its love of violence. It supports a regime of cruel religious fanatics (the Israelis) and their occupation of the West Bank and Gaza while claiming it supports human rights and democracy. The massive amounts of money it gives to Israel could provide much needed health care for its citizens and make improvements to its failing educational system.
I’m sorry, Mr Unknown, but I judge America by what it does. I am not influenced by its continuous torrents of fallacious propaganda and lies!
Cheers.
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Mr. Grayling, have you personally ever visited or have taken up residence in the United States? If so, my argument will be different from the following; because I see no evidence of you ever visiting or living in the United States I assume that you must basing most of you know from a media news network and the internet, both of which contain information that is of one view point or another, for example; one news network would an American soldier acting indecently, while another network would show an American soldier handing candy out to children and the same goes for a website. Because of this you aren’t judging America by what does, you are judging it from what you see through someone else’s eyes. In other words, you are judging from a distance, in your case, a rather large distance. Once again, Mr. Grayling, I apologize for argument if you have visited or lived in the United States, and I hope that this argument between you and I will stay and civilized as possible.
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Please excuse the typos, Mr. Grayling.
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Mr Unknown. I lived in Canada for three years and I have driven right across America. On other occasions I have visited America and have met quite a few Americans who I rather like.
Many Americans regularly contribute to my blog but, unlike you, many of them are in a complete state of despair over the state of their country and the direction it is heading in. They do not gild the lily as many Americans tend to do.
I can assure you my position will be one of civility unless I discover that you are an American apologist. In that case, as with religious fanatics, no amount of debate will shift your position (and believe me, I know from many years of running a blog as well as, in the past, being a journalist and author).
Cheers.
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Johnny O, thank you so much.
I appreciate your feedback and support so much.. despite the fact that i m sure my opinions seem very strong and rooted, I have doubts and need external input to validate or invalidate them..
I feel better to know that I m not mistaken to think NYOK is a coward.
Although my opinions are and for sure come along strong minded and stubborn, I admit, I like to be challenged, i welcome feedback in any form. . I may argue back but I like it when ideas are OPENLY and with honesty confronted by intelligent, acute individuals..
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I can assure you, Mr. Grayling, that I am no religious fanatic; however I do believe in the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I would also like to point out that, I too, though not in a complete state of despair, am extremely displeased about how our country is being run at this time, however I believe that there is a better way to fix this nation than a revolution and I hope to share that with you in following posts. Once again Mr. Grayling I apologize for assuming that you have never visited the United States.
Mr. Unknown
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I guess that the fact that so few Americans have ventured beyond America might explain some of the ignorance that many Americans have about the world they live in, Mr Unknown.
I have spent more than three years of my life just traveling and, most importantly, with my eyes open. I have visited many sites of antiquity and I am saddened by the fact that so much history has come and gone and we humans have learned so little.
Like you, I am Mr Unknown. I do what I do, not for personal gain or out of egocentricity, but because I really would like the leave this world a slightly better place than it was when I entered it all those years ago.
I don’t think I will achieve my aim somehow. But that I tried is all that is important.
Cheers.
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Mr. Unknown, I apologize for interfering in your diatribe with David G.
However, I spontaneously have two questions for you:
- do you genuinely think American soldiers were deployed to Iraq to save the world from nuclear and to share candies with the “unhappy before americans came” kids?
– Have you ever lived in Iraq? And if not.. where do you get your information about the existence of the nuclear weapons there and the situation there? From the way you exige direct contact with a reality before forming an opinion on one, you must stand up to your own belief and lived for few years at least in Iraq, and have a direct channel there.. or.. do you also rely on your news channels and officials input.. ? I m sure they re “impartial and honest” about it, unlike our channels about America.. ..
But… again. Have you ever lived in Iraq?
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No one may be around to read this, but on April 24th 1974 Portugal gave an even better and more current example of how to change the system than the French 200 years ago did.
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BuddhalovesPaine, I cannot recall the details of their revolution so it must’ve been very subtle!
In America, subtlety is unknown so any revolution there would have to rival if not outdo the French!
Cheers.
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Adina, sorry about the delay to an answer to your question,but I will answer no matter how spontaneous it is. I cannot genuinely say that American soldiers were deployed to Iraq just to save the world from nuclear threat and to give candy to children living there, because of the fact that I have never lived or even been to Iraq because it has been much too dangerous, and that the missions that they give the soldiers are classified. But I can say that they weren’t deployed there to kill civilians. You must understand that there has never been a war without a civilian death, but if you can name one I would love to know. Also, I receive my information like Mr. Grayling, through the news and the internet, it’s the general way to gain information about something but there are holes in it and its two sided; I’m not saying that the way Mr. Grayling receives his information is wrong its just impartial and I will admit, so is mine. I assume that you receive your information about Iraq through a news network as well?
Mr. Unknown
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I agree with you Mr. Grayling, I too would like to leave this world in a somewhat better place then it is now. I also agree with your first sentence, so many Americans have taken their freedoms for granted and do not understand what it is like to live life like the people in places such as Zimbabwe, Africa, their lives are threatened just because they vote for another person, or live life in fear in places in the Middle East were at any second they could die with a suicide bomber or be ruthlessly hunted just because of they beliefs. Sadly I see things that are similar in the U.S. but too such a harsh degree, such as the current election, many people’s homes are vandalized just because they voted for McCain or Obama, and gang violence, were people are shot just because of their race, but I see many Americans on both sides of the political spectrum, who are rising up to confront and rid the country of such violence.
Mr. Unknown
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Mr. Unknown,
thank you for your reply.
Whether I have been in Iraq or not is irrelevant, I am not the one to have suggested certain pre-requisits for forming an opinion on things.
I hope you are aware of the potential implications of your statements. I ll try to describe few.
You have started a discussion in which you have implied that for an individual to have an accurate opinion on matters one should have experienced them on first hand.
I am sure you would agree with me that if that was true, most of the humanity will be not entitled to express any opinion for matters which exceed the borders of their physicality and personal experience.
your exigence causes very dangerous implications, you see.. because one may dare tell people when expressing an opinion build on of course various and unverifiable sources that they do not tell the truth but “perceive it through someone else’s eyes”.
Your exigence would make a great excuse for the people who could operate under the umbrella of such a huge statement: I CAN DO WHATEVER as YOU have not been there to see it with your own eyes, hence you cannot understand it…
Furthermore, despite the fact that I agree with you that we should be better informed, I am amazed you seem to defend the necessity and outcome of Iraq’s war by saying that “there is no war without collateral victim”..
So you yourself easily take things for granted, accept status quo without challenging it..
And what is most upsetting, you seem to fail to even consider thes question: “why did that war start on the first place?”..
I ask: is war really necessary.. who gave America the right to be universal defendent against Nuclear.. how do you chose which are the threat country from the multitude of nuclear technology posessing countries? why do you not fight communist china who s famous for crimes against humanity and nuclear testing but sponsor them with your business ? why do you chose and pick war locations? maybe is is Muslim Nuclear that american consider dangerous only? Will you go to Pakistan also soon?… and who’s next on your list except Iran which we all know you ll find a marketable excuse to attack..
Maybe you agree with the war. and in that case you have based your decision on its necessity on the partial information channels which you received from the people who sponsored, caused and benefited from that war.
Maybe you did not agree with the war, and then I would love to hear it from you..
The fact that I and any other individual on earth can sit on our sofa and reflect on partial pieces of information and talk about them IS BENIGN.
The fact that you (maybe, an if not please say so, and I will apologize to you) and other American fellows can sit on their sofa after their country STARTED AND FIGHT a war OUTSIDE THEIR COUNTRY and JURISDICTION, without ever being attacked by the respective country, and killing so many innocent collateral victim, which from the same sofa’s americans take it for granted so easily “well, collateral victims are OK in any war”… without even questioning why the war started IS MALIGN. It is causing a lot of HARM to a lot of people, and to HUMANITY Mr. Unknown.
I can have superficial and subjective opinions on anything, as long as I do not cause harm. Americans’ majority have a talent to plead innocence for their country, while charging as guilty anyone who dares to have a contrary opinion.
May I hope you agree with me, Mr. Unknown?
Mrs. Adina
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P.S. Hahahahahahah. came up with a new concept. In honor to my Muslim friends whos countries have been hurt by alien unjustified attacks.. Maybe there are two different types of Nuclear that we didn t know about. Christian Nuclear. and Muslim Nuclear.
from what I extrapolate from recent global events using my intellect, Christian Nuclear seems to be right, and can even be granted the right to command and attack against Muslim Nuclear..
Funny. I myself thought Nuclear is a physics matter hence the absurdity to define it’s danger by it’s owner’s religion…
And watching how US destroys their own American citizens wellfare in allowing so much corruption and abuse in their economical system. I wonder what does entitle them to pretend of being owners of justice and truth and ethics when interfering with global matters?
Are you creating mess outside to cover the mess within?
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Mr Unknown,
I apologize, I forgot to answer your last question:
“I assume that you receive your information about Iraq through a news network as well?
Mr. Unknown “..
All my information came from your American mainstream media CNN, CNBC.. etc. funny huh…
I did use my intelligence filter to form an opinion about it tough, I hope I m still allowed the freedom to do that. So here is what I gathered by simply listening to your media:
The war in Iraq has happened triggered by US.
Are you still questioning that?
Iraq never in the history attacked America.
Are you denying that?
Osama is not Iraq citizen.
Are you denying that?
The “pretended Nuclear Bombs” which US used as justification to start a war against a non insurgent country were never found as American Government officials had to admit publicly.
Are you denying that?
Osama bin Laden has never been… … … found.. hehehhehe he he.
Are you denying that?
Now, my intelligence filter, not your media, tells me, based on all the above unquestionable input, that The war in Iraq was an ABUSIVE American Invasion under transparent pretexts which they failed to prove.
Maybe you’ll disagree. Can you then tell me, Mr. Unknown.. what is your understanding … why was this war really necessary and its’ collateral victim acceptable?
Mrs. adina
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I’m sorry for the misunderstanding Adina, and the failure to ask the question “why did we start the war in Iraq in the first place” for I was never asked it until now during this post and I was answering your first post questions, as a matter a fact I have and still do disagree with the Iraq war, I believe that the U.S. should have never gone into Iraq because it was based mostly on superstitions that Iraq had nuclear weapons, we did not have accurate information and we jumped to conclusions. Like you who have jumped to so many conclusions about me because I failed to give information about a certain opinion of mine, such as the Iraq War. I understand your point about the implications of my first statement, but you misunderstood me, I said that he is judging from someone else‘s point of view, for example, a new car, two people, one says its fast and comfortable, the other says its slow and uncomfortable, you agree with the second person because you own a car from the same company of the new car and its slow and uncomfortable, while there is nothing wrong with that, your opinion is still impartial because you never tested the new car. The same goes for almost anything, you can’t understand something completely unless you experience it first hand, or test the new car. To answer your other questions, war is not always necessary, but in a case such as WWII it was, the war in Iraq was not. We became the boss of nuclear weapons because we were the first to invent and use them, I disagree with communist China and their crimes against humanity, we don’t consider Muslim nuclear power dangerous, we consider terrorist nuclear power dangerous. I am sorry if anything offends you and if I missed any questions because I would be happy to answer them for you. Sorry, I have a tendency to leave things out by accident.
Mr. Unknown
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