Comments on: A World Shaped By Business? Yuk! http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/ "Argue not with fools, frauds, fops, and fanatics. Seek instead better companions." ----- "Show me a millionaire and I will show you a man who has never thought about the meaning of his life." Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:21:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: swan http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1708 swan Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:19:28 +0000 #comment-1708 P.S. I love Gravel's proposals for national referendums and initiatives so that all the citizens can vote. Term limits for legislators are absolutely essential for democracy, and what we desperately need in the USA. I can't help but wonder whether the outcome of the votes of the citizens in ancient Greece would be different if the slaves and us women would have been allowed to vote. Bet so, smile. P.S. I love Gravel’s proposals for national referendums and initiatives so that all the citizens can vote. Term limits for legislators are absolutely essential for democracy, and what we desperately need in the USA. I can’t help but wonder whether the outcome of the votes of the citizens in ancient Greece would be different if the slaves and us women would have been allowed to vote. Bet so, smile.

]]> By: swan http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1707 swan Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:13:49 +0000 #comment-1707 Excellent points. Thank you all so much. I was raised by the priests and nuns to "know, love, and serve God". The values necessary to do this are so antithetical to those of big business. Enough, already, eh. No wonder that psychiatrists are not hurting for business. Excellent points. Thank you all so much. I was raised by the priests and nuns to “know, love, and serve God”. The values necessary to do this are so antithetical to those of big business. Enough, already, eh. No wonder that psychiatrists are not hurting for business.

]]> By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1706 David G Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:42:40 +0000 #comment-1706 Q, the aspect of democracy in Ancient Greece that I was trying to draw attention to was a situation where senators were appointed from the ranks of the people rather than being elected. <br /> <br /> They discussed issues but when it came time to vote all citizens (not women and slaves) voted on decisions which the Senate put forward. So it really was a simple form of government by the people, for the people. <br /> <br /> Others have introduced all manner of irrelevant issues for reasons best known to themselves. Q, the aspect of democracy in Ancient Greece that I was trying to draw attention to was a situation where senators were appointed from the ranks of the people rather than being elected.

They discussed issues but when it came time to vote all citizens (not women and slaves) voted on decisions which the Senate put forward. So it really was a simple form of government by the people, for the people.

Others have introduced all manner of irrelevant issues for reasons best known to themselves.

]]> By: Q http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1705 Q Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:01:55 +0000 #comment-1705 David,<br /> <br /> I read it but got distracted. sorry. what distracted me was knowing that western philosophy is based on greek culture. <br /> <br /> I also can't help but recall the studies of Aristotle. He was so against democracy because he considered it to be nothing more than a way to re-distribute wealth. He really argued against democracy for economic reasons. <br /> <br /> I'm confused... help me out!<br /> <br /> Q<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> David,

I read it but got distracted. sorry. what distracted me was knowing that western philosophy is based on greek culture.

I also can’t help but recall the studies of Aristotle. He was so against democracy because he considered it to be nothing more than a way to re-distribute wealth. He really argued against democracy for economic reasons.

I’m confused… help me out!

Q

]]> By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1704 David G Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:46:53 +0000 #comment-1704 Glad you're happy, Adina. <br /> <br /> People like Nog just love to pull things down but they're hopeless when it comes to building or improving things!<br /> <br /> Cheers. Glad you’re happy, Adina.

People like Nog just love to pull things down but they’re hopeless when it comes to building or improving things!

Cheers.

]]> By: Adina http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1703 Adina Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:13:01 +0000 #comment-1703 To Nog<br /> 1. Happy you liked it :)<br /> 2. One cannot idealize a geographical location. I hope for their sake that Greeks did not idealize Sparta as you say therefore.. maybe you gathered that assumption from viewing "300"...else you may have juxtaposed it to 1,3 and 4 by error.. <br /> 3. Here comes the fun part. you do seem to have something in common with the greeks: the need to cathegorize and define, in order to comprehend. <br /> <br /> I will make a personal effort to adjust to the needs of your intellect.. therefore. <br /> <br /> But as the existing definitions do not actually comprehend or include the Intelligent Living Entity (ILE).. but are too busy to split and slice the psyche, universe, etc.. <br /> <br /> I ll have resort to the banal use of definitions myself.. and therefore to add some new definitions. <br /> <br /> ILE it is not MONIST.. at all. As there are many DIFFERENT AND INDIVIDUALISTIC Intelligent Living Entities with different priorities and manifestations.. <br /> <br /> they posses different characteristic, and their qualities (I quoted TWO ONLY but there are many others..) : such as intelligence and empathy which I quoted , are synergetic components of ILE's manifestation.. Synergetic. Making it DUALISTIC just because presents a multitude of characteristic is... .... ... beyond my comprehension. All this THEISM are based on assumption that there must be a God hidden somwhere, and then Mon, Pan, Panent... count how many locations God is hiddent into... <br /> But my ILE admits existence simply exists, without some hocus pocus master behind the curtain. ILE exist and manifest in different shapes and forms.. and they go about their businesses... in many many ways..<br /> but if you want by all means, and are truly desperate to give it a definition, I prepared one for you: it is not monism, or dualism, or pantheism.. there is no theism in it. But if you insist...<br /> ILE is then characterized by INFINITHEISM. which is the ability to exist, create, dissipate, feel, touch, abberrate, and so on.. infinite capabilities, for an infinitely undefinable Living Entity... <br /> I SAY SO.<br /> ILE is mine. So I can play with it like you can play with your monist/pantheis/dualist.... whateverist thing...<br /> At least I m creative and I didn t get it from an old book which I cannot comprehend.. . Grant me that please. <br /> <br /> That s about it... <br /> <br /> P.S. David, I m not putting effort in this. It s fun.. :) To Nog
1. Happy you liked it :)
2. One cannot idealize a geographical location. I hope for their sake that Greeks did not idealize Sparta as you say therefore.. maybe you gathered that assumption from viewing “300″…else you may have juxtaposed it to 1,3 and 4 by error..
3. Here comes the fun part. you do seem to have something in common with the greeks: the need to cathegorize and define, in order to comprehend.

I will make a personal effort to adjust to the needs of your intellect.. therefore.

But as the existing definitions do not actually comprehend or include the Intelligent Living Entity (ILE).. but are too busy to split and slice the psyche, universe, etc..

I ll have resort to the banal use of definitions myself.. and therefore to add some new definitions.

ILE it is not MONIST.. at all. As there are many DIFFERENT AND INDIVIDUALISTIC Intelligent Living Entities with different priorities and manifestations..

they posses different characteristic, and their qualities (I quoted TWO ONLY but there are many others..) : such as intelligence and empathy which I quoted , are synergetic components of ILE’s manifestation.. Synergetic. Making it DUALISTIC just because presents a multitude of characteristic is… …. … beyond my comprehension. All this THEISM are based on assumption that there must be a God hidden somwhere, and then Mon, Pan, Panent… count how many locations God is hiddent into…
But my ILE admits existence simply exists, without some hocus pocus master behind the curtain. ILE exist and manifest in different shapes and forms.. and they go about their businesses… in many many ways..
but if you want by all means, and are truly desperate to give it a definition, I prepared one for you: it is not monism, or dualism, or pantheism.. there is no theism in it. But if you insist…
ILE is then characterized by INFINITHEISM. which is the ability to exist, create, dissipate, feel, touch, abberrate, and so on.. infinite capabilities, for an infinitely undefinable Living Entity…
I SAY SO.
ILE is mine. So I can play with it like you can play with your monist/pantheis/dualist…. whateverist thing…
At least I m creative and I didn t get it from an old book which I cannot comprehend.. . Grant me that please.

That s about it…

P.S. David, I m not putting effort in this. It s fun.. :)

]]> By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1702 David G Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:40:41 +0000 #comment-1702 Nog, I never claimed the Ancient Greek democracy was perfect but at least it was largely representative of government by the people, for the people, certainly more so than now. <br /> <br /> Slavery was part of the world at that time as indeed was the silly idea of 'royalty'. And of course there were greedy people but they were in a minority and values other than avarice were highly prized.<br /> <br /> I know what you're trying to do (big-note yourself and undermine me and what my blog is trying to achieve by academic nit-picking and pedantry).<br /> <br /> You are welcome to contribute to this blog but only if you're willing to be constructive and demonstrate that you're seriously trying to make the world a better place for everyone. It's your choice!<br /> <br /> P.S. Check the FAMOUS QUOTES, especially the one by Chomsky. Nog, I never claimed the Ancient Greek democracy was perfect but at least it was largely representative of government by the people, for the people, certainly more so than now.

Slavery was part of the world at that time as indeed was the silly idea of ‘royalty’. And of course there were greedy people but they were in a minority and values other than avarice were highly prized.

I know what you’re trying to do (big-note yourself and undermine me and what my blog is trying to achieve by academic nit-picking and pedantry).

You are welcome to contribute to this blog but only if you’re willing to be constructive and demonstrate that you’re seriously trying to make the world a better place for everyone. It’s your choice!

P.S. Check the FAMOUS QUOTES, especially the one by Chomsky.

]]> By: Noah \"Nog\" http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1701 Noah \"Nog\" Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:24:01 +0000 #comment-1701 -1. "I loved your: '...unlike me digesting your pretentious sentences...'"<br /> <br /> -2. The Greek (actually a few Athenian) philosophers idealized Sparta (nice to name a team after, but that's about it).<br /> <br /> -3. The proposed "Intelligent Living Entity" which is said to be non-dualist assumes dualism in its "intelligence" and "empathy" parts. How? Well by treating this "intelligence" as separate from the physical it is by necessity dualist. If it assumes that the "intelligence" is just some aggregate of physical happenings, it is by necessity a form of materialist monism. The same thing applies for empathy.<br /> <br /> -4. "The Ancient Greeks despised money-grubbers" Well no, some Ancient Greeks did (the same Greeks who also liked slavery and monarchy). -1. “I loved your: ‘…unlike me digesting your pretentious sentences…’”

-2. The Greek (actually a few Athenian) philosophers idealized Sparta (nice to name a team after, but that’s about it).

-3. The proposed “Intelligent Living Entity” which is said to be non-dualist assumes dualism in its “intelligence” and “empathy” parts. How? Well by treating this “intelligence” as separate from the physical it is by necessity dualist. If it assumes that the “intelligence” is just some aggregate of physical happenings, it is by necessity a form of materialist monism. The same thing applies for empathy.

-4. “The Ancient Greeks despised money-grubbers” Well no, some Ancient Greeks did (the same Greeks who also liked slavery and monarchy).

]]> By: David G http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1700 David G Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:37:26 +0000 #comment-1700 I wonder whether you read my post, Q. The Ancient Greeks despised money-grubbers. They considered such activity to be ignoble and sleazy, even demeaning. <br /> <br /> Their view has been vindicated! I wonder whether you read my post, Q. The Ancient Greeks despised money-grubbers. They considered such activity to be ignoble and sleazy, even demeaning.

Their view has been vindicated!

]]> By: q http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2008/10/a-world-shaped-by-business/comment-page-1/#comment-1699 q Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:20:59 +0000 #comment-1699 David,<br /> <br /> The Thales tale was interesting. Of course, most of western philosophy is based on Greek foundations right? So, yeah, they would have the whole "profit" syndromn built in...<br /> <br /> Q David,

The Thales tale was interesting. Of course, most of western philosophy is based on Greek foundations right? So, yeah, they would have the whole “profit” syndromn built in…

Q

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